Caber???

[harbormaster]

So about a month ago I was probably 4 weeks into a Pretty heavy cycle of 1G test/ week, 40mg dbol ED and 125mg Tren ace EOD, and I started having what I am assuming was prolactin related gyno issues. This had never happened in the past but I was using a pretty high dose of tren that I had made myself so I stopped the tren and switched to EQ and dropped the dbol.

The gyno went away within a couple of days and I generally felt better after about a week. But in the last week or so I have noticed a pretty significant drop in sex drive and that lack of enjoyment that goes along with prolactin. What are peoples thoughts on adding some caber to help this? I have never used it before so I don't really have anything to go on except the info I have read. Any advice would be appreciated before I shell out around $200 for caber.

[lapalco]

You might want to try Vitex (chaste tree berry) for prolactin before dishing out the 200 for caber. 400-600mg or more per day. You can get it at your local supp shop or on the net. Ive always steered away from caber after that study that came out saying it fucked with heart valves. Good luck.

[goof321]

Originally Posted by harbormaster

So about a month ago I was probably 4 weeks into a Pretty heavy cycle of 1G test/ week, 40mg dbol ED and 125mg Tren ace EOD, and I started having what I am assuming was prolactin related gyno issues. This had never happened in the past but I was using a pretty high dose of tren that I had made myself so I stopped the tren and switched to EQ and dropped the dbol.

The gyno went away within a couple of days and I generally felt better after about a week. But in the last week or so I have noticed a pretty significant drop in sex drive and that lack of enjoyment that goes along with prolactin. What are peoples thoughts on adding some caber to help this? I have never used it before so I don't really have anything to go on except the info I have read. Any advice would be appreciated before I shell out around $200 for caber.

Def add it in to the cycle for the sex drive related issues and gyno related issues! Dont worry bout it being 200 for liquid crap, you got PM.

Originally Posted by lapalco

You might want to try Vitex (chaste tree berry) for prolactin before dishing out the 200 for caber. 400-600mg or more per day. You can get it at your local supp shop or on the net. Ive always steered away from caber after that study that came out saying it fucked with heart valves. Good luck.

This study was done at dosages around 4-5 mg per day! For our use we would be using .5mg every 3 days. It has no affect on the heart at that dose.

[lapalco]

Is the therapeutic dose 4-5mgs, goof? I mean, are the people who take it for Parkinson's disease taking 4-5mgs per day? Im not sure, and i ask cause it doesnt say in the study.



Dopamine agonists and the risk of cardiac-valve regurgitation.Schade R, Andersohn F, Suissa S, Haverkamp W, Garbe E.
Department of Clinical Pharmacology, Charité Campus Mitte, Charité-Universitätsmedizin Berlin, Berlin.

BACKGROUND: Case reports and echocardiographic studies suggest that the ergot-derived dopamine agonists pergolide and cabergoline, used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and the restless legs syndrome, may increase the risk of cardiac-valve regurgitation. METHODS: We used data from the United Kingdom General Practice Research Database to identify a population-based cohort comprising 11,417 subjects 40 to 80 years of age who were prescribed antiparkinsonian drugs between 1988 and 2005. We conducted a nested case-control analysis within this cohort in which each patient with newly diagnosed cardiac-valve regurgitation was matched with up to 25 control subjects from the cohort, according to age, sex, and year of entry into the cohort. Incidence-rate ratios for cardiac-valve regurgitation with the use of different dopamine agonists were estimated by conditional logistic-regression analysis. RESULTS: Of 31 case patients with newly diagnosed cardiac-valve regurgitation, 6 were currently exposed to pergolide, 6 were currently exposed to cabergoline, and 19 had not been exposed to any dopamine agonist within the previous year. The rate of cardiac-valve regurgitation was increased with current use of pergolide (incidence-rate ratio, 7.1; 95% confidence interval [CI], 2.3 to 22.3) and cabergoline (incidence-rate ratio, 4.9; 95% CI, 1.5 to 15.6), but not with current use of other dopamine agonists. CONCLUSIONS: In this study, use of the dopamine agonists pergolide and cabergoline was associated with an increased risk of newly diagnosed cardiac-valve regurgitation. Copyright 2007 Massachusetts Medical Society.

[goof321]

Originally Posted by lapalco

Is the therapeutic dose 4-5mgs, goof? I mean, are the people who take it for Parkinson's disease taking 4-5mgs per day? Im not sure, and i ask cause it doesnt say in the study.



Dopamine agonists and the risk of cardiac-valve regurgitation.Schade R, Andersohn F, Suissa S, Haverkamp W, Garbe E.
Department of Clinical Pharmacology, Charité Campus Mitte, Charité-Universitätsmedizin Berlin, Berlin.

BACKGROUND: Case reports and echocardiographic studies suggest that the ergot-derived dopamine agonists pergolide and cabergoline, used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and the restless legs syndrome, may increase the risk of cardiac-valve regurgitation. METHODS: We used data from the United Kingdom General Practice Research Database to identify a population-based cohort comprising 11,417 subjects 40 to 80 years of age who were prescribed antiparkinsonian drugs between 1988 and 2005. We conducted a nested case-control analysis within this cohort in which each patient with newly diagnosed cardiac-valve regurgitation was matched with up to 25 control subjects from the cohort, according to age, sex, and year of entry into the cohort. Incidence-rate ratios for cardiac-valve regurgitation with the use of different dopamine agonists were estimated by conditional logistic-regression analysis. RESULTS: Of 31 case patients with newly diagnosed cardiac-valve regurgitation, 6 were currently exposed to pergolide, 6 were currently exposed to cabergoline, and 19 had not been exposed to any dopamine agonist within the previous year. The rate of cardiac-valve regurgitation was increased with current use of pergolide (incidence-rate ratio, 7.1; 95% confidence interval [CI], 2.3 to 22.3) and cabergoline (incidence-rate ratio, 4.9; 95% CI, 1.5 to 15.6), but not with current use of other dopamine agonists. CONCLUSIONS: In this study, use of the dopamine agonists pergolide and cabergoline was associated with an increased risk of newly diagnosed cardiac-valve regurgitation. Copyright 2007 Massachusetts Medical Society.

Treatment for people with parkinsons disease the dose ranges from 2-6mg per day. Parkinsons patients already have muscular/neurological problems so yes side effects including heart problems can occur in these patients.
They takes these doses everyday for the treatment of a disease and not as a short term thing as we do.
We as bodybuliders/powerlifters are in better physical shape. When running nadrolones our prolatin levels rise...so we take the smallest amount possible to stop this from happening.
If the drug is as harmful as that study suggests, then the FDA would have pulled it of the market already.
I have a heart issue...atrial fibrilation, its random and the cuase is not know, I ask my cardiologist about anything that I take and he has not once metioned anything negative about cabaser being bad for the heart.
He more or less attributes my a-fib to alchohol....go figure.


Cabaser comes as white oval tablets of three different strengths, containing 1mg, 2mg or 4mg of the active ingredient cabergoline. All tablets come in child-proof amber glass bottles containing 30 tablets. Cabaser tablets are intended to be swallowed (whole or half tablets with a full glass of water) and should be taken with food to reduce side effects of nausea or stomach upsets.


Dosage

Cabaser should always be taken as prescribed by your doctor. They will be able to decide the best dose suited for you according to your condition and other comorbidities. Cabaser is often used in combination with other Parkinson's medications, especially levodopa. The normal starting dose is either half or one 1mg tablet daily. Your doctor will then increase this dose gradually over several weeks. This is usually by adding half-one tablet to the daily dose once every week. If you have not had dopamine medications before, the final dose is usually between 2-4mg but if Cabaser is being used with levodopa you may take up to 6mg/day.

Cabaser should always be taken as prescribed by your doctor. They will be able to decide the best dose suited for you according to your condition and other comorbidities. Cabaser is often used in combination with other Parkinson's medications, especially levodopa. The normal starting dose is either half or one 1mg tablet daily. Your doctor will then increase this dose gradually over several weeks. This is usually by adding half-one tablet to the daily dose once every week. If you have not had dopamine medications before, the final dose is usually between 2-4mg but if Cabaser is being used with levodopa you may take up to 6mg/day.

Cabaser is intended for long-term use to prevent symptoms and complications of Parkinson's. You should therefore take it every day even if you feel well. Cabaser should be continued for as long as your doctor tells you.

Whilst you are taking Cabaser you need to take additional precautions driving and operating machinery as Cabaser can cause sleepiness, light-headedness or sudden onset of sleep in some patients. You should refrain from these activities until you have a good idea how this medication affects you. In addition, particularly early in the course of your treatment, you should make sure you stand up slowly to reduce the light-headedness caused by this medication.

[kend]

i thought caber could be used at 1/2 mg twice per week. let me know if i am wrong, i will need to adjust.

i know for sure it can give you some wild dreams.

[goof321]

Originally Posted by kend

i thought caber could be used at 1/2 mg twice per week. let me know if i am wrong, i will need to adjust.

i know for sure it can give you some wild dreams.

e3d see,s to work best for me. which is just about 2x per week if u want to get technical about it.
if symps of gyno appear use it .5mg eod
no symps .5mgs e3d, i know some ppl use it e4d. its preference i guess.

[kend]

thanks, goof

[fullybuilt]

$200 for caber. Go to innovative-research.net and its like $45 and works just as well as the pharm grade. I've tried both.

[harbormaster]

Originally Posted by fullybuilt

$200 for caber. Go to innovative-research.net and its like $45 and works just as well as the pharm grade. I've tried both.

Nice one bro thanks a lot! I was going to order tomorrow so it was just in time.