Drol and Dbol together?

[felon4life]

from FG:

The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol
By Gavin Kane

For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960’s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990’s.

Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex.

Dianabol (methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970’s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980’s. It somewhat waned during the 1990’s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000’s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca-durabolin.

I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.

I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.
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[baddog]

Bro. those were very high doses before you combined the two. I am surprised your liver didnt fall out of your asshole!!!!

[chadly]

Great read Felon! Sounds like a fantastic idea to me, I love them both and can't wait to give it a shot. Maybe drop the dose a little and throw in some liv-52 or just staight up milk thisle for shits and grins

[getthepump40]

Originally Posted by baddog

Bro. those were very high doses before you combined the two. I am surprised your liver didnt fall out of your asshole!!!!

LMFAO!!! this has to be the funniest post ever




by the way this is a GREAT post bro, THANKS FELON!

[gunz78]

im very glad i came across this post!! i got a friend who im getting ready to put on this exact cycle minus the test and deca!! its his first cycle and he doesnt want to inject... i figured 50mg's of each for 3 weeks then 25mg's for 3 weeks them good pct!! what do you guys think?

[fit4lyfe]

First off thank you Felon for finding this article. I have posted this idea several times and have done this for a quite some time now. Best of both worlds and keeping a good feeling about how your look. WG bro your friend is atleast going to need some test mixed in with this. They both lean waay toward estrogenic sides, have him atleast take 500mg once weekly, besides, an oral only cycle is not popping the cherry on your friend correctly, shit no-one let me have it the nice way.

[gunz78]

so i guessing your saying hes gonna run into estrogen related sides if he doesnt use test?

[felon4life]

if i were going to combine the 2 i would go with the 100mgs of drol and 50mgs of dbol like the guy suggests.

[awakened615]

Thanks felon. Good find bro. I never posted about this but was always curious what the results would be and how bad would it be on the liver if I were to combine the 2. I actually get a loss of appetite from Dbol not drol but to each his own right? Respectfully, Awakened

[fit4lyfe]

Originally Posted by gunz78

so i guessing your saying hes gonna run into estrogen related sides if he doesnt use test?

nolva will combat that, but he won't have a "good feeling cycle" he will gain, but he will not feel a sense of well being, unless he wants to add proviron to this. I feel he would gain a true sense of what a cycle is if he alteast gets poked once a week, His bood levels are going to fluctuate heavily daily, adding in atleast 500mg Test cyp otr E will veen him out and make it a smoother cycle. 100mg drol is waayy too much for a first time user, can u say torn muscles, I actually have found that at my weight (265) with both combined that 50mg each was plenty. and having gone up to 50, d and 100 drol really only brought more sides and very limited extra gains...