Switching from Test E to Test Prop

[littlerunt]

Hi - Due to availability, I'm going to have to switch from Test E to Test Prop for my first cycle. Will run 12 weeks. I'm 5'8", just hit 170lb, 11%bf and have been training pretty hardcore for 5+ years. Goals include 15-20lb gain of keepable fairly lean mass.

Been reading alot about the differences between the two (test e being the longer esther hence more build-up, test prop possibly having some pain but maybe less bloat and out of the body quicker) but am wondering: I realize I should up my pinning frequency, but should I also change my dosing?

Was planning on E3D 250mg with Test E, but am now thinking I should plan on 200mg EOD for the Test Prop? Thoughts/help? ...LittleRunt

[harbormaster]

I think 200mg EOD is right on bro. That's what I run most of the time. Are you going to run anything else besides the test? If you are hoping to gain 15-20lbs you should probably throw in an oral too, a classic like dbol would be a good choice or tbol if you can get it. Also 15-20lbs of lean mass is a little ambitious for a first cycle. I'm not saying it can't be done but a gain of 8-10 lbs of real lean muscle in a first cycle is a good goal IMO.

[2thepain]

At 200mg EOD you will be shooting 700mg/week test. For a first time this is a little excessive IMO. I think that 150mg EOD would be just fine and honestly you should be able to gain at least 20lbs on a first cycle provided your diet and training are solid. The amount you keep will depend on your PCT. Adding an oral for the first 4-6 weeks wouldn't hurt. Dbol is my personal favorite. Regardless, good luck.

[fit4lyfe]

Originally Posted by littlerunt

Hi - Due to availability, I'm going to have to switch from Test E to Test Prop for my first cycle. Will run 12 weeks. I'm 5'8", just hit 170lb, 11%bf and have been training pretty hardcore for 5+ years. Goals include 15-20lb gain of keepable fairly lean mass.

Been reading alot about the differences between the two (test e being the longer esther hence more build-up, test prop possibly having some pain but maybe less bloat and out of the body quicker) but am wondering: I realize I should up my pinning frequency, but should I also change my dosing?

Was planning on E3D 250mg with Test E, but am now thinking I should plan on 200mg EOD for the Test Prop? Thoughts/help? ...LittleRunt

12 weeks @ 90 days
Test e @ 250 e3d = 250mg x 30 doses = 7,500mg
Test prop @ 200 eod = 200 mg x 45 doses = 9000mg
your increasing your dose by quite a bit at 200 mg espec. for a first cycle, how comfortable are you with mulitple injection sites, Ie: bi's, delts, chest, quads, glutes.?? your blood levels will be fluctuating moreso with short esthers, I would hold out for some Test e, and stick to under 600 weekly, JMHO. if you do prop, skip the d-bol, you will be jumpin in no time anyway..

[Realize]

I wouldnt do prop for a first cycle. First of all you are not used to pinning at all let alone eod. Also prop can be extremely painful for some.

[esteban_760]

200mg EOD for a first time cycle? NO way.

I'm thinking he needs to stick to either 100mg or max 150mg EOD if he is going with Test Prop. Any higher in MG and it will be a waste.

Also, you're going to hate your life shooting prop for 12 weeks. Even if you don't mind needles, it's just a lot of poking for a new user. I'd try to drum up some Test E.

I do agree with the weight gain. Keeping 8 - 10 lbs will be a good solid goal.

Oh, and if you use an oral, I'd use it with a Test-E cycle.

Originally Posted by harbormaster

I think 200mg EOD is right on bro. That's what I run most of the time. Are you going to run anything else besides the test? If you are hoping to gain 15-20lbs you should probably throw in an oral too, a classic like dbol would be a good choice or tbol if you can get it. Also 15-20lbs of lean mass is a little ambitious for a first cycle. I'm not saying it can't be done but a gain of 8-10 lbs of real lean muscle in a first cycle is a good goal IMO.

[littlerunt]

Forgot to mention that, yes, I'm also doing 30mg/day of dbol for the first four weeks. Most (though not all) have recommended that! My diet is very solid and training very on-point right now. For PCT I'll do a four week test stasis at 100mg/week, then 80/60/40/20 for the last four weeks. Sound decent? Some guys on this board, as well as over at t-nation, have recommended this stasis/taper PCT......LR

Originally Posted by 2thepain

At 200mg EOD you will be shooting 700mg/week test. For a first time this is a little excessive IMO. I think that 150mg EOD would be just fine and honestly you should be able to gain at least 20lbs on a first cycle provided your diet and training are solid. The amount you keep will depend on your PCT. Adding an oral for the first 4-6 weeks wouldn't hurt. Dbol is my personal favorite. Regardless, good luck.

[littlerunt]

Posed this question on three boards, and while a few people said "go for it" at 200mg EOD, the vast majority have said - since this is cycle number one for me - to take it down to 150mg EOD, and kickstart with Dbol 30mg/day for the first four weeks. Will also use adex after week two. Some guys have said wait and find some test enanth, but that's much easier said than done! (but thanks.) I don't have a problem with needles/sticking, although admittedly it's going to be a downer to do it every other day. I plan on using left/right ventrogluteal site, delts, biceps, and quads and see how far that takes me. Also, PCT will be something like four weeks stasis period at 100mg/week, then 80/60/40/20 for the last four weeks - it's an eight week taper. Nolva on hand. Sound crazy? All this advice has been crazy valuable to me so thanks...LittleRunt

Originally Posted by esteban_760

200mg EOD for a first time cycle? NO way.

I'm thinking he needs to stick to either 100mg or max 150mg EOD if he is going with Test Prop. Any higher in MG and it will be a waste.

Also, you're going to hate your life shooting prop for 12 weeks. Even if you don't mind needles, it's just a lot of poking for a new user. I'd try to drum up some Test E.

I do agree with the weight gain. Keeping 8 - 10 lbs will be a good solid goal.

Oh, and if you use an oral, I'd use it with a Test-E cycle.

[gettinbigga]

[quote=littlerunt;70122]Posed this question on three boards, and while a few people said "go for it" at 200mg EOD, the vast majority have said - since this is cycle number one for me - to take it down to 150mg EOD, and kickstart with Dbol 30mg/day for the first four weeks. Will also use adex after week two. Some guys have said wait and find some test enanth, but that's much easier said than done! (but thanks.) I don't have a problem with needles/sticking, although admittedly it's going to be a downer to do it every other day. I plan on using left/right ventrogluteal site, delts, biceps, and quads and see how far that takes me. Also, PCT will be something like four weeks stasis period at 100mg/week, then 80/60/40/20 for the last four weeks - it's an eight week taper. Nolva on hand. Sound crazy? All this advice has been crazy valuable to me so thanks...LittleRunt[/QUOTE

I agree with a lot of people here when they say 100 to 150mgs will be fine for your first time. I made great gains doing 100 but i also had other compounds to. Alot of test i have taken has hurt maybe from the BA content, but all i could say if you could find some base in EO i had found that to be painless and really easy to draw and shoot with.

[2thepain]

Originally Posted by littlerunt

Forgot to mention that, yes, I'm also doing 30mg/day of dbol for the first four weeks. Most (though not all) have recommended that! My diet is very solid and training very on-point right now. For PCT I'll do a four week test stasis at 100mg/week, then 80/60/40/20 for the last four weeks. Sound decent? Some guys on this board, as well as over at t-nation, have recommended this stasis/taper PCT......LR

I think you will like the test taper. I havn't done a conventional PCT since I discovered the taper. Remember though, Prisoner says it is fine to use a SERM during the actual taper section, not the stasis period.