Gear problem

[basspro]

Have a question for some of the more experienced home brewers and ill try to keep it short. I have approx. 35 ml of deca @ 400 mg/ml. 24-36 hrs. after administration get alot of swelling in the muscle. the swelling is more of an irritante type reaction not an infection type reaction. This came from reliable well known ugl. It was used for 5wks before I threw in the towel and discontinued use. spoke with manufacturer and was compensated for the inconvenience. Ive let it set now for a couple years as I just couldnt get myself to throw it away. This was made when higher dosed gear was getting more popular. It is BA, BB & safflower oil (no E.O.).is it possible that the level of ba is just too high and im getting a reaction to it? To make deca at that strength does it require a large increase in the percentage of ba? Thought of cutting the strength in half by adding more sterile oil. Also thought of trying a small sample batch with slightly more bb with the thought it could be crashing in muscle once the ba dissipates from site (something i read can happen iff bb % is too low). Can no longer contact ugl and hate to throw away since at the moment would have hard time replacing (ORD). Swelling comes down after 4-5 days. the gear seemed to be quite potent. Been at this 20yrs. but not a homebrewer. thanks for any suggestions.

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[Ronn]

I am by no means an expert on home brew, so I'm sure someone more knowledgably will chime in. However, if it's taking 4-5 days for the swelling to subside, I doubt that is BA irritation as that’s usually fairly short lived (a day or two). It sounds more like the gear is crashing after injection.

And here's where the homebrew people might have better advice--I think you're idea of cutting the strength in half by adding more sterile oil is the way to solve this problem.

Hope that helps

Ronn

[Bionic Bill]

For a quick trial see if this helps. Put a vent pin in the rubber stopper and heat it on a hot plate (low/medium heat) for about 20 - 30 minutes. I may be wrong but I would guess that the guy/gal used more BA than normal when they made this product.

You may also Filter 5% more BB into the vial after the heating process if you have that on hand. If not then I would think that diluting the dosage like you mentioned would be your best bet.

LB

[Blindsight]

Your reaction could be caused by any number of things:

1.) Your gear may have been crashing on you, although I've seen stable deca up to 600 mg/ml. If the source was reputable and had been making higher dosed gear for awhile, I'd think this would be a less likely cause.

2.) The BA doesn't need to be increased as the concentration of drug increases, although that doesn't necessarily mean that your source/ug lab didn't do that anyways. Also, a few well known sources in particular are known for using more BA for all their gear. If your body is more sensitive to BA, the injection site could, indeed, remain inflamed for up to 4-5 days, as you'd described.

3.) It is possible that your gear could have picked up a contaminant at any point in its processing, including the initial powder, its suspension in oil, any redistribution, or even from you after you opened it. And I don't necessarily mean bacteria, as your immune system can be stimulated by any number of inert particles.

4.) Depending on whether you've ever used gear made with safflower oil, it may be that your body reacts more violently to different oils. I can't say for sure whether it was the oil itself, but I've brewed gear using grapeseed and safflower oil, and the safflower brews caused a similar reaction for me, while the grapeseed ones worked well. The same thing happened to me once with UG gear made with safflower oil, and in fact, I believe it was deca as well (and I rarely ever use deca).

In my case, I assumed the reaction was due to one of the latter two causes, and I was too stubborn to waste the gear. I loaded up on ibuprofen and loratadine each day, which did help with the inflammation. However, I probably wouldn't recommend doing this in your case, especially since the gear is getting old now... whatever it was causing the problem (especially if it's #1 or #3) may be even worse now. On the other hand, 35 ml sure is a lot to waste... *sigh*

[basspro]

OK guys thanks for the info. Ithink I have come up with a game plan. I will draw out 5cc into 10cc syringe body and draw an additional 2.5cc of grapeseed oil and filter back into sterile 10ml vial. Questions on filtering operation: Are the whatman filters press on( was going to just order 3-4 .22 filters)? Have plenty of 22ga pins but they are luer lok and the pics i see of the larger syringe bodies look like press on ends am I correct with this assumption? If so, should I just order some press on 18ga pins? ive heard it is kinda difficult to press oil through a filter this way will this be satisfactory for such a small amount? basically what do I need to know to make sure I order right stuff regarding filtering components.

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[Blindsight]

You can just use regular luer lock paraphernalia, but I would go ahead and get 18G pins, cause it's pretty damn hard to push the oil through, as it is. Might as well not limit yourself further with a higher gauge needle.

[basspro]

Thanks Blindsite you have been a BIG help, and thank to all who responded. Guess ill throw a little order together tonite and give this a try in the next couple days. also thanks to all for no flaming... I know I should just shitcan the gear but just not really in position too and I think it is salvagable.

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[Ronn]

If you haven't bought the filter yet, millipours are better in my opinion.

Ronn

[bigdog121468]

i had a similar problem with my home made tren, just added some oil and refiltered, problem solved. good luck my friend.

[basspro]

Ok guys, for those interested gear was re-filtered and concentration brought down to 300mg/ml. smooth as silk now. Thanks for the input.

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