TAPERING DOWN BEFORE PCT?

[raynmela]

to all,

just doing research on this matter for the past 1-2 years, I even tried it about 2 summers ago coming off tren/test and switching to test prop 100mg eod for 3 weeks then 100mg e3d for 2 weeks then 50mg e3d 2 weeks and even going as low as 25 mg (1/4 cc) e3d for 2 weeks. in the end I didnt use any nolva/hcg/clomid. I was on Igf for 4 weeks during the last half of the taper. In the end I kept alot of my mass, lost a few pounds but was cutting down a bit. Strength went down a tad bit in terms of max reps but overall I kept a good amount of strength and actually felt/looked real good. I never felt depressed nor did I have a crash. I know alot of people argue this to be of stone age material but I think maybe there may be some substance regarding this belief.

Anywho, here are some tapers I found being thrown around online with some good feedback:

1.) test E/C taper 200/250mg per week for 3-4 weeks then
150/100mg per week for 2-3 weeks (give or take)
75/ 50mg per week for 1-2 weeks (give or take)
Pct would be up to the individual, hcg use on the last stretch of taper with nolva/aromasin being the favorite end taper pct.

2.) test prop or test prop/masteron:

Same principal. 100mg prop or 50mg/50mg prop/masteron eod x3-4 weeks
then 50mg prop or 25mg/25mg prop/masteron eod/e3d x2-3 wks
then 25mg prop or cut off completely ending with a pct of nolva/clomid/hcg or whatever you like.




again, I know alot of people go against tapering nowadays but I kinda lean towards the argument of getting your body to adapt to lowering hormones and such as to avoid a complete crash and whatnot beofre the use of pct meds. Maybe it was just all in my head when I tried this but I do know when I go back on I would taper off again before doing a complete pct. This is just my opinion so feedback is welcome. please no slander as I know how some of you tren freaks can get, dont break your keyboards now, your keyboards have never done anything to you. j/k lol.

Ray

[beeman]

I dont think it is a bad idea at all, but I wonder how much of it was your mind getting used to it, rather than your body. Maybe you upped your training intensity and diet a bit, without even knowing, to make up for it. Either way, I am glad it worked for you man.

[raynmela]

Hey bee,


that has come into question as well. I mean, yeah, I am still getting gear into my system and going through the motions although the doses have gone down, so probably in the back of my mind I was still in that zone where you were still on cycle. get what Im trying to say? lol.. again, I have no scientific data backing this up, just thought it was a bit interesting because on a fundamental level it does kinda make sense. thanks for the insight bro.

Ray

[fit4lyfe]

I personally have found that if I am doing a mega cycle, 2+ grams a week, I have found it to be a good way to come back down to earth, by tapering down to under a gram a week and then switching to short esthers, and then dropping all together for PCT. I require PCT, as I used to crash really bad and almost always got the "test flu" when I came completely off in the ole days, so I still do my HCG and arimidex.

[Sean]

Tapering dose work. You can't get everything going again until the synthetic Testosterone is below your natural levels. Your body sees it needs to turn on because the Test levels are below your bodies natural level, so the body responds by making Natural Test (I hope this makes sense). There are other factors of course. Remember steroids Taper themselves by the half life. The reason why I use winstrol at the end of a cycle (besides it helps solidify my gains) is because after I taper the test (long Ester) I quit it completely and then I jump on winstrol for 30 days while the Test leaves my system. So now after 30 days the Test should be almost completely out of my system (as long as the tapering was sufficient). Now Winstrol has a short half life so the next day after I'm done the Winstrol I start PCT and it works like a charm every time! I also use 500iu of HCG every week for the last 4 weeks on Winstrol. If you do the math with the test and it's half life, you can munipulate your PCT to work for you. My question is why do people start 2 weeks after there last shot when there are mega mg's of AAS still in there system? I mean they'd have to go on PCT for months on end.

[MacMan]

A lot of the old Pro's cycles involved tapering. That always made sense to me as they didn't have access to all the PCT drugs that we do now. I have my doubts as to how effective it truly is if an aggresive and appropriate PCT in initiated today.

[KingGuss]

Ive read some interesting anecdotal theories about this "taper", on another board that I am on. The theory goes that at 100mg's of exo-test, the body will not shut down.

So after a cycle, you take two 50mg injections of a long estered test a week for 6 weeks. This is called the "statsis" period where the body is adjusting to the switch while still having enough test to ward off catabolism.

After that , you go to 80, 60, 40, and then finally 20 mgs a week. Its quite the rage over at T-nation, it's called Prisoners test taper I think.

Ive not tried it yet, but those who have said good things.

[raynmela]

Originally Posted by KingGuss

Ive read some interesting anecdotal theories about this "taper", on another board that I am on. The theory goes that at 100mg's of exo-test, the body will not shut down.

So after a cycle, you take two 50mg injections of a long estered test a week for 6 weeks. This is called the "statsis" period where the body is adjusting to the switch while still having enough test to ward off catabolism.

After that , you go to 80, 60, 40, and then finally 20 mgs a week. Its quite the rage over at T-nation, it's called Prisoners test taper I think.

Ive not tried it yet, but those who have said good things.

thanks guss,

I have read that too, I beleive this to be my protocol of choice coming off next round. Im planning a 1-2 year cycle of 250mg test/400-600mg EQ per week. had a buddy run it for 3 years, gained/grew/maintained , pretty much no side effects after he found the right dose of EQ for him that didnt give him the hunger pains and anxiety. anywho, im studying more about the prisoners taper now.

Ray

[KingGuss]

Glad I could help, by the way P22 is a good guy so if you pm him with what you had in mind Id bet anything that he would get back to you. Good luck with that monster cycle bro!

[mrlight]

Originally Posted by fit4lyfe

I personally have found that if I am doing a mega cycle, 2+ grams a week, I have found it to be a good way to come back down to earth, by tapering down to under a gram a week and then switching to short esthers, and then dropping all together for PCT. I require PCT, as I used to crash really bad and almost always got the "test flu" when I came completely off in the ole days, so I still do my HCG and arimidex.

I use to crash really bad too and get the "flu"... chills, etc.... Now I either taper down or switch to a short ester... I start HCG, clomid and nolva either the next day after a short ester like prop or 5 days after a cyp.. I head it off before it hits so to say...