liver friendly/unmethylated PH/PS

[Backlum Chaam]

Anyone like, have luck with, hate, or have any advice concerning unmethylated/liver friendly PH/PS's. I used a prostanozol clone while running test and got some noticeable results. I had been on the test for a while, so I'm pretty sure it was the prostanozol.

I had some pretty high liver levels on my last blood test at the end of my cycle and was looking for options to give me a little boost in the interim down the road.

Thanks!

Oh, here are a few examples. I got this list from a post by thesinner at Anabolic Minds:

Methoxy-TRN
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
Pill size: 1.5mg
Dosages: 1.5-6mg
Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia. May cause thinning hair/ hair loss. Also another progestin.
Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. From personal experience, I've noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.


Prostanozol/ Orasan-E/Winztrol
Innovators: ALRI, Gaspari Nutrition
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).



Finigenix Magnum
Innovators: PharmagenX
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.


Propadrol:
Innovator: EST Nutrition
Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene &
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
Side effects: low side effects
Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Not much data is present on this compound within this forum. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.

Max LMG
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.


1,4 AD
Innovator: Molecular Nutrition
Dosages: 300-600mg
Nomenclature: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.



Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
Innovators: Spectra Force / Gaspari Nutrition
Pill Size: 33mg
Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Dosages: 33-99mg daily
Side Effects: very mild
Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.



11-oxo/Adrenodione
Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
Pill Size: 150mg
Dosages: 450mg
Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking conversion to cortisol. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss. If you're looking for some mass gains, you might opt for something else.

[NeedMassNow]

Good info Backlum,
I was wondering if you personally have tried, or have any info (side effects and reputation) regarding the following PH's:
- Hemadrol (4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Androst-1,4-Diene-3-17b-Diol) by EST
- Methyl E (2a, 3a Epithio-17a-Methyl-17b-Hydroxy-5a-Androstane) by EST
- Hemaguno (2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyletioallocholanol) by Spectra Force Research
- Oxyguno (4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Etioallochol-4-Ene-17b-Ol-3, 11-Dione) by Spectra Force Research
- Furaguno (5a-Androstanol [2, 3-C] Furazan-17b-Tetrahydropyranol) by Spectra Force Research

[Backlum Chaam]

Originally Posted by NeedMassNow

Good info Backlum,
I was wondering if you personally have tried, or have any info (side effects and reputation) regarding the following PH's:
- Hemadrol (4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Androst-1,4-Diene-3-17b-Diol) by EST
- Methyl E (2a, 3a Epithio-17a-Methyl-17b-Hydroxy-5a-Androstane) by EST
- Hemaguno (2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyletioallocholanol) by Spectra Force Research
- Oxyguno (4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Etioallochol-4-Ene-17b-Ol-3, 11-Dione) by Spectra Force Research
- Furaguno (5a-Androstanol [2, 3-C] Furazan-17b-Tetrahydropyranol) by Spectra Force Research

Thanks NMN. I've only done pheraplex and prostanozol.

Here are the one's you asked about from that same AM post:

Promagnon-25 (Hemadrol)
Innovator: Peak Performance Labs
Dosages: 25-75mg
Nomenclature:4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
Side effects: The usual sides associated with methylated compounds (heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps)
Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.

(Nothing on Methyl E)

Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno
Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-50mg
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.


Oxyguno
Innovator: Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
Pill Size: 7.5mg
Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
Reputation: This is a derivative of the fish androgen, 11-keto-testosterone. 17 alkylation improves oral bioavailability; however, the addition of a 4-chloro group greatly lowers the anabolic/androgenic potential of an already weak androgen. What we're left with is a steroid with an incredibly low Q factor (anabolic divided by androgenic). I would expect this to be a great addition for cutting or possibly recomp, but a poor choice for bulking or looking to gain strength.



And Furaguno/Furuzadrol/Ortasan-A is in my original post. Oh, and I read that Will Llewellyn say that this DOES NOT improve cholesterol.

Thanks for the response.

[finxster]

Methyl-E is another Epi-ph like epistane and havoc. Those seem to be the newest and best ph's right now.

Originally Posted by Backlum Chaam

Thanks NMN. I've only done pheraplex and prostanozol.

Here are the one's you asked about from that same AM post:

Promagnon-25 (Hemadrol)
Innovator: Peak Performance Labs
Dosages: 25-75mg
Nomenclature:4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
Side effects: The usual sides associated with methylated compounds (heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps)
Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.

(Nothing on Methyl E)

Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno
Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-50mg
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.


Oxyguno
Innovator: Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
Pill Size: 7.5mg
Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
Reputation: This is a derivative of the fish androgen, 11-keto-testosterone. 17 alkylation improves oral bioavailability; however, the addition of a 4-chloro group greatly lowers the anabolic/androgenic potential of an already weak androgen. What we're left with is a steroid with an incredibly low Q factor (anabolic divided by androgenic). I would expect this to be a great addition for cutting or possibly recomp, but a poor choice for bulking or looking to gain strength.



And Furaguno/Furuzadrol/Ortasan-A is in my original post. Oh, and I read that Will Llewellyn say that this DOES NOT improve cholesterol.

Thanks for the response.

[finxster]

Fura is a great PH for increasing strength, but doesn't do much as far as mass. Nothing un-methylated that I know of is gonna add much mass. Now you can definitely add some strength with them.

Originally Posted by Backlum Chaam

Anyone like, have luck with, hate, or have any advice concerning unmethylated/liver friendly PH/PS's. I used a prostanozol clone while running test and got some noticeable results. I had been on the test for a while, so I'm pretty sure it was the prostanozol.

I had some pretty high liver levels on my last blood test at the end of my cycle and was looking for options to give me a little boost in the interim down the road.

Thanks!

Oh, here are a few examples. I got this list from a post by thesinner at Anabolic Minds:

Methoxy-TRN
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
Pill size: 1.5mg
Dosages: 1.5-6mg
Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia. May cause thinning hair/ hair loss. Also another progestin.
Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. From personal experience, I've noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.


Prostanozol/ Orasan-E/Winztrol
Innovators: ALRI, Gaspari Nutrition
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).



Finigenix Magnum
Innovators: PharmagenX
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.


Propadrol:
Innovator: EST Nutrition
Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene &
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
Side effects: low side effects
Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Not much data is present on this compound within this forum. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.

Max LMG
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.


1,4 AD
Innovator: Molecular Nutrition
Dosages: 300-600mg
Nomenclature: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.



Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
Innovators: Spectra Force / Gaspari Nutrition
Pill Size: 33mg
Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Dosages: 33-99mg daily
Side Effects: very mild
Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.



11-oxo/Adrenodione
Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
Pill Size: 150mg
Dosages: 450mg
Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking conversion to cortisol. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss. If you're looking for some mass gains, you might opt for something else.

[Trenbaloon]

Hmm i might have to find some of that methoxy trienbolone. Anyone else vouche for this?

[Ronn]

How can 1,4 AD still be legal? It existed well before the ban and I was under the impression that all other those pro-hormones and pro-steroids were including and listed as schedule III drugs?

Just curious,

Ronn

[finxster]

Originally Posted by Ronn

How can 1,4 AD still be legal? It existed well before the ban and I was under the impression that all other those pro-hormones and pro-steroids were including and listed as schedule III drugs?

Just curious,

Ronn

Not the same thing as before the ban. They just used the same name to draw attention. Kinda like AX's new superdrol. But superdrol isn't banned. AX just can't make it anymore since they got a cease letter.

[Ronn]

Originally Posted by finxster

Not the same thing as before the ban. They just used the same name to draw attention. Kinda like AX's new superdrol. But superdrol isn't banned. AX just can't make it anymore since they got a cease letter.

Interesting. I didn't know SD was still available post ban (stocked up it just as 1fast400 was selling of the last stock). For me, mg for mg I think SD is one of the best orals for lean-gains, I honestly like it better than var. I used it very successfully during the carb-loading phases of the UD2 diet. Who still makes it (and what are they calling it now)?

Thanks,

Ronn

[finxster]

There are alot of clones out there. I ran M-drol about a year ago. Here's a link:
CEL M-Drol, 90 Caps