You just gotta love doctors sometimes..

[REDRUM]

I havent been able to get ahold of my doc for the better part of a month now, and I have chronic pain in my back and joints almost round the clock. So I couldnt wait for him to get back, so I asked my mom the next time she went to see her chiropractor(who's also an MD) if she could get a script. She said not a problem, and told the doc that she does very well with vicodin, and blah blah. Well the doc proceeds to tell her that he knows she wont abuse anything, so he'd be happy to give her anything she wanted. Make a long story short, I go to get the script from my mother, and the bottle says Kadian. Turns out that Kadian, is a new drug that is actually a extended release version of morphine, meant more for cancer patients than anything else. WTF?!

See this is why people get strung the fuck out and wind up in rehab, shooting dope or some other stupid shit. Drugs are drugs, believe me I know that better than anyone, but vicodin doesnt make me want to do evil things, morphine does.
And to top it off, this doctors name is Adolf..what a fucking hammer

[chest6]

Sounds like a mistake??

[bigdogbone]

Originally Posted by REDRUM

I havent been able to get ahold of my doc for the better part of a month now, and I have chronic pain in my back and joints almost round the clock. So I couldnt wait for him to get back, so I asked my mom the next time she went to see her chiropractor(who's also an MD) if she could get a script. She said not a problem, and told the doc that she does very well with vicodin, and blah blah. Well the doc proceeds to tell her that he knows she wont abuse anything, so he'd be happy to give her anything she wanted. Make a long story short, I go to get the script from my mother, and the bottle says Kadian. Turns out that Kadian, is a new drug that is actually a extended release version of morphine, meant more for cancer patients than anything else. WTF?!

See this is why people get strung the fuck out and wind up in rehab, shooting dope or some other stupid shit. Drugs are drugs, believe me I know that better than anyone, but vicodin doesnt make me want to do evil things, morphine does.
And to top it off, this doctors name is Adolf..what a fucking hammer

If u cant handle it then why take it, is it really worth it to begin with. I say if u cant get in to see your DR. then find a new on, u shouldnt have to wait as long as u have. If its not prescribed to u then dont take it... Another reason people get strung up because people take whatever in the hell they can find. Then it turns into a needy thing and so on and so on. PRETTY SIMPLE

[REDRUM]

Originally Posted by bigdogbone

If u cant handle it then why take it, is it really worth it to begin with. I say if u cant get in to see your DR. then find a new on, u shouldnt have to wait as long as u have. If its not prescribed to u then dont take it... Another reason people get strung up because people take whatever in the hell they can find. Then it turns into a needy thing and so on and so on. PRETTY SIMPLE

My doc is a specialist, and is also good enough to write a script for me without having to do an office visit, as Im without insurance and hes not cheap by any means. Ive been doing some very heavy work lately and honestly couldnt wait any longer, nor can I stroll in any docs office and ask for narcotics.

Believe me bro I know the evils of all that all too well, I was just bitching beacuse I find pretty stupid for a doc to precribe morphine, when someone asked for vicodin, and on the grand scheme of things vicodin is a pretty mild pain killer as opposed to the grand daddy of them all. I think him telling her, that he'll give her anything she wanted is pretty damn irresponsible. I had a doc like that too when I was a teen, he would give me 80mgs of oxycodone a day, on top of 8mgs of xanax, per month for almost a decade.

im just ranting I'll stop now, thanks for listening though

[getthepump40]

Originally Posted by REDRUM

I had a doc like that too when I was a teen, he would give me 80mgs of oxycodone a day, on top of 8mgs of xanax, per month for almost a decade.

man that doc would give you anything.

"Doc my knee hurts, can I have some gh now??"

[Blindsight]

I think I need to clear up a few things here. First off all, Kadian, if taken as directed, is not more powerful than Vicodin. It's sustained release morphine, like MS Contin, which keeps blood levels more constant, and is therefore less addictive because it doesn't give you the same highs or lows. Drug-seekers who come in to the clinic trying to get Vicodin get royally pissed if you try to give them MS Contin, for the same reason. Doctors typically have less reservation about giving out this drug (to a seemingly responsible person) than they do with Vicodin or Oxycodone. However, like oxycontin, you can potentially crush up the little pellets within the Kadian capsule, which releases all the drug at once. I definitely do NOT recommend this, as the dose could potentially be lethal, depending on how much you take.

If you're particularly interested in how potent various opiates are for whatever reason, or how to convert from one to another (e.g. Vicodin vs. Oral Morphine), you could go here: Narcotic dosage converter for conversion factors or a calculator. If you look on the table on that site, you can see that you'd have to take 30-60 mg of oral morphine to get the same effect as 20-30 mg of Vicodin (hydrocodone).

Also don't forget that this is a schedule II drug, so you'd face a higher sentence for taking your mom's Kadian than you would for AAS... if that sort of thing matters to you. If not, you could at least try taking the Kadian as directed (well...as directed to your mom, anyways), and supplement that with up to 800 mg ibuprofen 3 times a day and see if it helps.

[fit4lyfe]

I agree with the statement of Bigdogbone, and some of what Blindsight has said here. It would be a complete falsehood that the dependancy, abuse, etc. would be any less likely or probable, morphine in sustained realease, can still give the euphoria/high, drug seekeers are after, take more, crush them up, all the same. The time release is a arguement for Vico*$n preference of Abusers due to the immediate release of the latter. at the end of the day, opiate units per day are same, and torlerance/dependancy are the same and upregulate at a constant due to tolerance, and patients wants desires. It is a battle of tolerance and tryin to feel the same, it requires continually larger doses.
Note: Why can you not reach your doctor?? what kind of doctor?? have ins?? and really smart move starting to take something that in your words is a ludicrously strong drug ( they will give out anything these days). wait till you run out, ohh better yet have your mom keep getting them, and when you finally get to see your Brilliant doctor of land and leisure that cannot be seen for over a month, get some Vikes and really get loaded.. then when you cannot get anymore and doctor's finally say NO, if they have any moral value or in the oath that they take, you will have fucked everything up, including your relationship with your mom, and you will cry like a baby for just a few pills..

[Blindsight]

Unfortunately, there are so many damn drug-seekers that come into the ER or clinic every single day, that many PCPs have given up. They end up deciding to refer everyone claiming to be in chronic pain to specialists so they don't have to deal with all these pieces of shit, who outnumber people with legitimate pain 5 to 1. This means that the people who really need the pain meds end up having to wait a long time to get an appointment with a specialist.

[fit4lyfe]

Legitamate people with ligit pain, have ins. see primary, get something, have an apointment with Pain specialists within one month. then Injects, surgery, phys. therapy, no drugs.. No ins. clinics, ER's and then into the "system" and you then sit and wait, VA is even worse..

[REDRUM]

Originally Posted by fit4lyfe

I agree with the statement of Bigdogbone, and some of what Blindsight has said here. It would be a complete falsehood that the dependancy, abuse, etc. would be any less likely or probable, morphine in sustained realease, can still give the euphoria/high, drug seekeers are after, take more, crush them up, all the same. The time release is a arguement for Vico*$n preference of Abusers due to the immediate release of the latter. at the end of the day, opiate units per day are same, and torlerance/dependancy are the same and upregulate at a constant due to tolerance, and patients wants desires. It is a battle of tolerance and tryin to feel the same, it requires continually larger doses.
Note: Why can you not reach your doctor?? what kind of doctor?? have ins?? and really smart move starting to take something that in your words is a ludicrously strong drug ( they will give out anything these days). wait till you run out, ohh better yet have your mom keep getting them, and when you finally get to see your Brilliant doctor of land and leisure that cannot be seen for over a month, get some Vikes and really get loaded.. then when you cannot get anymore and doctor's finally say NO, if they have any moral value or in the oath that they take, you will have fucked everything up, including your relationship with your mom, and you will cry like a baby for just a few pills..

Well Im glad you took the time to take a swing at me, but your attempt was in vain. Lets clear something up slick, I know damn well doctors will write anything these days, thats the whole point of this post, and why so many people are fucked up on something and why we have such marvelous shows as celebrity rehab.

If your under the assumption Im a child, your far off. Doctors have the leisure of taking time off whenever they feel like it, and unfortunatly my doctor doesnt really schedule his vacations around the time I need to have a script re-filled. Do you suffer from chronic pain, are you in pain 24 hrs a day? I am, and if I wanted to get loaded, I would do like the old days and go take a ride into the gehtto and get myself a bundle of heroin and make everything go away, but that time is gone, long gone, and I do like most people in my situation do, they get their medication legally from a doctor.

Since I dont have insurance, and while the application for insurance is processing Im left with taking pain medication, as I dont have thousands of dollars for MRI's to see what exactly is wrong, and if surgery can finally help with this.

I really dont see where you have the balls to come off like Im posting as some kind of junkie, maybe at one point in life I would have wore that badge proud and wouldnt have given a shit what you say, but to sit there and tell me that Im going to systematically destroy the world around me and every relationship I have over some pills, perhaps you should know me before you begin to open your mouth and cast a world of doubt upon me. Next time you try and trash me, try a little harder.

Blindsight, I know that this medication if taken as prescribed is not going to give you the same high as a percoset or vicoden would, what I was merely saying is that if used improperly, like people do with oxycontin that its not the swiftest move for a doctor to prescribe someone with medication like this right off the bat. She has never asked this doctor for medication before. Is it the most brillant move to ask a relative for a favor such as this, no its not. Sometimes though you gotta do what you gotta do.