First Cycle Jitters

[littlerunt]

Hey Guys - For the past couple of months I've made my home board t-nation, and the guys there have been great, great, great. Just also wanted to start chatting on another board to get more info. This board is a little less censored, so that - I think - is good, too. If you have a minute, give my first cycle a glance and tell me what you think. I've sorta cobbled it together from what some of the vets have recommended.
Week 1-12 Test Enanth 250mg E3D
Week 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/day
Week 3-12 A-dex .25 EOD adjust if needed
Week 23-16 Test statis 100mg/w
Week 17-22 Test 80/60/60/40/40/20
Run nolva if needed during taper and/or cycle

[Blood1]

Originally Posted by littlerunt

Week 23-16 Test statis 100mg/w
Week 17-22 Test 80/60/60/40/40/20

this confuses me...all in all I don't like it

week 1-18 Test E (250 e3d is good dosing if its your first)
week 1-4 dbol (i would do 20 2wice a day)
week 19-22 Test prop 100mg eod.
Adex as needed.

thats a straight first cycle. Maybe even long for a first one. You can gauge that yourself.

[Dr Dianabol]

Yeah bro. You don't really need the dbol on your first outing. Secondly, Blood1 is right, adex as needed. You will find yourself not taking this very often, in my experience.

I would add hcg at 1000-1500 iu e3d starting a week after last shot and going for 2 weeks total.

Then start nolva or clomid.

If you use adex anywhere consistently, it should be in pct to cut the estrogen rebound. 0.25 mg ed is fine and do it from hcg to termination of nolva (whch should be run for 3 weeks after the HCG.

Also, this is a very long first cycle. Gains usually begin to come slower at 10-12 weeks. I would rather see you bust this in two. Put 6 weeks between them, including pct time.

[fit4lyfe]

Originally Posted by littlerunt

Hey Guys - For the past couple of months I've made my home board t-nation, and the guys there have been great, great, great. Just also wanted to start chatting on another board to get more info. This board is a little less censored, so that - I think - is good, too. If you have a minute, give my first cycle a glance and tell me what you think. I've sorta cobbled it together from what some of the vets have recommended.
Week 1-12 Test Enanth 250mg E3D
Week 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/day
Week 3-12 A-dex .25 EOD adjust if needed
Week 23-16 Test statis 100mg/w
Week 17-22 Test 80/60/60/40/40/20
Run nolva if needed during taper and/or cycle

cobbled is definately a word I would have used. for a first cycle, there is no need for the d-bol, as you are going to want to come away from this with some solid knowledge of how you react to test. drop the d-bol for your 1st cycle, drop the taper, as this will just keep you supressed and all fucked up for a longer period before starting pct. and this is waayy too long for number one. I would go like this:
week 1-12 Test E 250mg-e3d
weel 12-16 Test prop 100mg-eod
a-dex if you really need it, I seriously doubt it, though, seriously...
then your PCT, minimum of 4 weeks, adn would wait atleast a total of 8 weeks before jumpin back into something.. 16 weeks is a long 1st, if I knew more about you, I might cut this to a total of 12 weeks.. but your gonna do what you will...

[Blood1]

I say hit the dbol regardless of first cycle or not. It will give you a good feeling those first few weeks before the test kicks into full effect.

[inheritmylife]

Originally Posted by Blood1

I say hit the dbol regardless of first cycle or not. It will give you a good feeling those first few weeks before the test kicks into full effect.

If it's his first cycle, he'll probably react pretty well to straight test, why add anything more?

Prop takes a few days to feel.

[BirdChest]

Originally Posted by littlerunt

Hey Guys - For the past couple of months I've made my home board t-nation, and the guys there have been great, great, great. Just also wanted to start chatting on another board to get more info. This board is a little less censored, so that - I think - is good, too. If you have a minute, give my first cycle a glance and tell me what you think. I've sorta cobbled it together from what some of the vets have recommended.
Week 1-12 Test Enanth 250mg E3D
Week 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/day
Week 3-12 A-dex .25 EOD adjust if needed
Week 23-16 Test statis 100mg/w
Week 17-22 Test 80/60/60/40/40/20
Run nolva if needed during taper and/or cycle

This is WAYYYYYYY overkill for a first cycle, and set up very wrong.

Take NO MORE than 500 mgs of test for your first cycle, and that's still high. I'd be happy seeing you do 250-300, personally. You do not know how you will handle it. Test causes water retention, which causes high blood pressure in some. Getting high blood pressure can cause you to become irritable, and act irrationally. Same with the dbol. I realize you have the adex, but once again, why go so overboard, and for such a length of time? Slow and steady, remember that.

Take 300 mgs of test e, all in one shot, for 8-12 weeks. You should be more than pleased. Remember to eat cleanly. Save the dbol for later cycles.

Also, that little pyramid/taper scheme for coming off the test is old and outdated, just stop all at once. You will be shut down anyways, why not get the full amount in while your at it.

[Blood1]

Originally Posted by inheritmylife

If it's his first cycle, he'll probably react pretty well to straight test, why add anything more?

Prop takes a few days to feel.

He does not specify propionate in the beginning, only enanthate. He will benefit from the dbol.

[Blindsight]

Sorry that you're getting so many mixed opinions here, bro, but I couldn't just let this one go. First of all, I would agree that you probably shouldn't go more than 12 weeks for your first cycle; you should get used to the way your body responds, both to being on, as well as to recovering. There is no need for a steroid taper: test enanthate has a long half life and will [conceptually] taper on its own over a period of 2-3 weeks. D-bol will give you better results, but it is also much harsher and causes more side effects. Use it at your discretion, but if you do, I'd probably keep it how you planned, with 30-40 mg/day spread out over 3-4 doses. Lastly, I personally use arimidex fairly liberally in my cycles to reduce the sides. If I go below 0.5-1 mg a day, I definitely notice an increase in bloating, acid-reflux, hypertension, and sore nipples. I know that arimidex can mess up your cholesterol profile a little more, but I feel it's a must for me. The empirical research leans more towards using a-dex throughout the cycle and then discontinuing it before PCT, so that's what I do.

I think a better cycle for you with the drugs you mentioned would be:
wk 1-12 Test E 250 mg q3days
wk 1-4 dbol 30-40 mg/day spread over several doses.
Arimidex 0.25-0.5 mg/day, and adjust up or down as needed for side effects.
Nolva 10-20 mg/day throughout cycle (if needed) to reduce sides.

Stop the adex about 2 weeks after your last injection, and begin PCT at that point.

If you don't use dbol, then I'd recommend either frontloading the test E (maybe use 750 mg for your first injection), or using prop for the first few weeks, in addition to the test E.

--Blindsight

[Dr Dianabol]

Dont' quit arimidex before pct. An aromatase inhibitor is ideal for pct because sessation of steroids is when estrogen levels get highest and produce the most negative feedback.

Aromatase inhibitors change the ratio of Test to estrogen significantly in favor of Test, similar to antiestrogens such as nolvadex or clomid.


I've been in this game for a lot of years. There is no real reason to use arimidex on cycle unless your doses are high and/or you estrogen-related bloating is intolerable and or you're sensitive to gynecomastia.

the MOST you need is 0.5 mg eod, unless you are very very sensitive to gyno.

Noone even ran this kind of thing during cycles back in the day, and it was never that big of a deal. On the other hand, it is very useful for pct.