What do the vets think

[Daneo]

This is open to anyone who is an internediate/advanced bodybuilder - let me know what you think of my cycle.

I am 25 yrs old, 6'0, 232 lbs, 10% BF

I have done one cycle in my life (dbols w 1-4, NPP w 1-20, test E w 5-20) of course with appropriate PCT. I was 180lbs at the start of my cycle and was 226 when I finished my PCT. I finished my cycle in Sept. 2007.

My goal is to continue with the bulking for 3 months followed by some cutting.

Weeks 1-12 test. E @ 400mg
Weeks 1-18 EQ (frontloading at 600mgs and 400mgs weekly following)
Weeks 12-18 Oral Winnies (starting at 20mgs PD and topping out at 40mgs PD)

Any thoughts? Opinions?

PS- i would prefer using injectable winny (liver reasons) however I made a deal with someone and i am stuck with the orals.

[bmillay]

test should be the base all the way through - of some variety
i just don't like you droppin the test after week 12
also - bump up the winny to 50 - 75mg ed
especially since it is oral

[Daneo]

Thanks for the reply. When you talk about the test, are you suggesting I should increase the length of time of which I am taking it (an extra month?) or simply use it all the way until the end? (Which doesn't sound right to me, but I could be wrong).....

[Quazi]

Yes, run the test from day 1, cut the eq 2 weeks before cutting the test, and no need to frontload the eq, and run them both at 600mg ew.
so...
1-16 Test E 600mg ew
1-14 EQ 600mg ew
14-18 Winni 50-75mg ed

[fit4lyfe]

Originally Posted by Quazi

Yes, run the test from day 1, cut the eq 2 weeks before cutting the test, and no need to frontload the eq, and run them both at 600mg ew.
so...
1-16 Test E 600mg ew
1-14 EQ 600mg ew
14-18 Winni 50-75mg ed

I agree with this asessment, I would consider EQ to have a minimum dose of 6oo weekly, no need to front load it, I have done this and it still takes the ster X number of days to dissipate so you are really just flooding your body with too much on a front load, on your winny, split your dose in half and take half in am and half 8 hours later with meals, this will help with absorption and will be a little easier on your liver. drink lots of H2o, make sure your pct is up to par, you will be GTG..

[demonsweat]

All of the above have provided good advice. The only thing I will add is switching the test ester to prop. when you have about 4 weeks left in the cycle. By doing this, PCT timing may be a little more accurate as opposed to ending with Test E and waiting around for a couple weeks for it to clear your system before starting up PCT.

Just a suggestion...................

[shoalin]

Originally Posted by Quazi

Yes, run the test from day 1, cut the eq 2 weeks before cutting the test, and no need to frontload the eq, and run them both at 600mg ew.
so...
1-16 Test E 600mg ew
1-14 EQ 600mg ew
14-18 Winni 50-75mg ed

exactly

[harbormaster]

Originally Posted by demonsweat

All of the above have provided good advice. The only thing I will add is switching the test ester to prop. when you have about 4 weeks left in the cycle. By doing this, PCT timing may be a little more accurate as opposed to ending with Test E and waiting around for a couple weeks for it to clear your system before starting up PCT.

Just a suggestion...................

Right on bro. You will find PCT much easier and faster coming off prop. However 400-600mg/week of enanthate probably won't be that bad. I personally like to start PCT as soon as I come off and I really dislike the drawn out come down from enanthate or cyp. I generally find that I recover within 4-5 weeks off prop. Just my 2 cents dosages look good as others have said no need to front load and winny would not be my choice but that's just me.

[Mustanglifter]

Originally Posted by Quazi

Yes, run the test from day 1, cut the eq 2 weeks before cutting the test, and no need to frontload the eq, and run them both at 600mg ew.
so...
1-16 Test E 600mg ew
1-14 EQ 600mg ew
14-18 Winni 50-75mg ed

Thats right on the mark....and as others have said...run the eq at minimum of 600mgs.

[IronpumpedLady]

Originally Posted by demonsweat

All of the above have provided good advice. The only thing I will add is switching the test ester to prop. when you have about 4 weeks left in the cycle. By doing this, PCT timing may be a little more accurate as opposed to ending with Test E and waiting around for a couple weeks for it to clear your system before starting up PCT.

Just a suggestion...................

AMEN~!!! Although I am a woman, this is what I have male clients do, they all swear by it as does my training partner. Everyone had so great advice for here!!!


Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL