HCG ??

[jackedpuckster]

Okay im running a real simple and rather light cycle:

100mg Test Prop EOD weeks 1-8
50 mg Dbol ED weeks 1-4

Now my plan is to run clomid and nolva as my PCT, my question is what benefits would running HCG throughout give me, and what type of dose would you run it at? I was thinking 200 iu twice a week, and then bump it up if need be. Any input is appreciated

[jack thomas]

Running hcg through out your cycle is always a plus IMO,will help with quicker recovery.I normally run 250iu twice/wk. for a total of 500iu/wk.that will prevent the shrinkage from getting started.

j/t.

[MacMan]

I agree. 250 iu twice a week but not on the same days you inject AAS if it can be avoided.

I think the value of HCG is dependent upon the age of the user and of simple physiological differences between users. I'm 45+ so HCG througout definitely gives me an easier PCT. If I was in my twenties, it might not be as useful as I would likely recover naturally pretty quick anyway.

I've never tried HCG at the end of a cycle versus throughout the cycle so I can't comment on the effectiveness of the end of the cycle protocal. I will say that the research I have read leads me to believe that shutdown occurs very quickly and the benefit of running it throughout seems to make sense.

HCG is also relatively inexpensive and easy to use for the peace of mind it gives and easier PCT.

[jackedpuckster]

OK, now it says there are 3 5000iu vials, and 3 solvents it comes with. I neeed someone to explain this to me like i am an idiot, becuase when it comes to this i am. WHat am i going to need to do?

[MacMan]

The solvents should be BA Water. If they aren't, then I would suggest getting some BA water which is cheap and sold by most research supply companies.

Use a slin pin to draw out the desired amount of BA water. The amount will depend upon the type of slin pin\syringes you are planning on pinning the HCG with. I would suggest 100iu syringes as it will allow for more precise measuring of the reconstituted solution.

I would suggest using 100iu of BA water to reconstitute, but you can use more depending upon the desired ratio of the HCG. If you use 100iu of BA water then each mark on the 100 iu slin syringe will represent 50iu's of HCG, given you have 5000iu's of HCG per vile.

Five marks represents 250iu. Pin twice a week, SubQ in the abdomen.

Refrigerate after reconstituting and the HCG should remain good for quite some time.

If I screwed the conversion up, someone please correct me!

[DGAF]

I always run HCG with all of my cycles no matter what they consist of, better safe than sorry. I run 500iu`s every 5 days and it works great for me every time. No atrophy at all. To give you an example I am currently running 1250mgs of Test E EW and 750mgs of Deca EW with 75mgs of D-Bol ED and I do 500iu`s of HCG every 5 days and I have no shrinkage and I am horny as hell all the time and my loads are big.


The HCG you have will be 3 powder vials and 3 solvent vials. What I do is break both vials and mix the water with the powder. This will give you 1cc that is equal to 5000iu`s. On a slin pin every 10 mark will be 500iu`s. Remember to refridgerate the HCG after you mix it.

I pin IM in my shoulder.


DGAF

[jackedpuckster]

Ok, now i really dont understand the mixing part. I get the general point but how do i go about mixing them together?

[DGAF]

Originally Posted by Liftharddaily

Ok, now i really dont understand the mixing part. I get the general point but how do i go about mixing them together?

I break 1 powder amp and 1 solvent amp and suck out the slovent with a 22g 1 1/2" pin and shoot it in the powder amp. I use a 1 1/2" pin because with a shorter pin sometimes, depending on how high up the break on the solvent vial was, the pin wont reach the bottom. You then have to refridgerate it.



DGAF

[getnbgr]

good info guys........thx

[MacMan]

Originally Posted by Liftharddaily

Ok, now i really dont understand the mixing part. I get the general point but how do i go about mixing them together?

I've only used the generic HCG which comes in vials with stoppers, similar to HGH. The only solvent I have used has been BAC water which is just sterile water with a low amount of Benzyl Alcohol added to prevent bacteria.

The mixing can be confusing, but the key is going to be the amount of HCG in the vial (usually 5000iu or 2000iu) and the amount of solvent or BAC water added to the vial for purposes of reconstitution.

The most important part is the ratio of solvent to HCG so you will be able to determine how much you are pinning. That's why I suggested 100iu of water to 5000iu of HCG. 5000 divided by 100 equals 50. That means that each mark on a 100iu slin pin represents 50iu of HCG. If you use more solvent or have smaller slin pins then you have to adjust.

I usually draw 100iu BAC water from a 30ml bottle. The BAC water also has a stopper, so a slin pin can be used. I'm judging from the vials that are being described that these are scored and you break off the top. If this is the case, then a longer pin would need to be used.

Once the water is drawn, you would inject into the vial and/or stopper of the HCG taking care to let the water slowly run down the side. The wafer or contents will dissolve, although gentle swirling may be required. From what I've read, HCG isn't as fragile as HGH, so the gentle handling precautions may not be necessary.

I'm not certain what the solvent is in the non-generic kits, as I have never used them before. I'm hoping it is BAC water. The reason is that the 5000iu of HCG was never intended to be run in 500iu a week doses. Large doses of HCG are used for prescribed usage, so bacteria growth in the reconstituted solution would not be an issue as it would be used very quickly. For your application, bacteria growth is an issue as the one 5000iu vial will last approximately 10 weeks. This is why BAC water or BA water (both the same thing just called differently by some people) should be used.