MGF/IGF vs HGH

[IFIWAS]

Funds allowing........and if many of you have read much about MGF please respond best you can.

As I understand it IGF (I have used alone before and was moderatly happy with it) and MGF work together very well, but after adding up the cost they are pretty steep on the $$$$ side.

So I am thinking long term body recomp here after my next cycle during small PCT and cruising time.....would you spend your funds on MGF/IGF....or HGH? Probably run HGH for 6 months atleast at 2-3iu a day.

Posted before but, here again I am 26yrs 5'10" 230 bout 13%BF done many cycles with more compounds, don't look too bad but not real good either. Last cycle, 12 week bulker 3 week PCT, all ended 12 weeks ago.. Eat good maintinence cals bout 2900, eat close to 250-300g lean protein ED mostly from whole foods (150-200).

After this cycle is over I plan (hope) to be round 235-240 10-11%BF
Test/Tren cycle, VAR at the end. Prop at the beginning to start things off.

[The Anonymizer]

I'd like to see someone test MGF and HGH-Fragment together.....more mass gains than IGF1 supposedly with more fat loss than HGH.

If nobody has tested it by the time these sources start paying source fees I'll be the guinea pig!

[IFIWAS]

I dunno if I am sold on all this "IBE h-GH frag" stuff just yet....I have been following Grunts thread over at AM.com and I feel I would rather put my hard earned money towards real HGH as of right now this monent, although I have been tempted to put a bill or two at some of the P-GH before just to see what happens

[Enanthanator]

I am giving MGF a try myself...Along with all the other shit I am taking, but this is in the interest of science only!!!

[IFIWAS]

I hear you man only use it on my rats myself.

I have so much stuff ready to experiment with but just cannot decide on what experiments to partake in...lol

Confused if I may say so...my own fault for aquiring too many different things at once....lo.

[Enanthanator]

lol, tell me about it brother...I will keep you posted with my results...

[Whitey]

Some very good questions/ideas here, bro. First, I'd begin by taking a look at the cost/benefit of GH at 2-3iu/day. For a brother of your age at stats, I'd be very hesitant to recommend a growth cycle at that dose. I believe you'd be disappointed in the results (i.e. where the HELL are they??)

Unless you were GH deficient (which you're clearly not, by your stats), I would say to achieve a real effect, you'd need to be in the ballpark of 4-5iu/ED or 5on/2off. That's an average - everybody's different - but for a guy you're age and stats, that's what I'd say.

The bang for the buck, is clearly in IGF-1 LR3, and MGF has shown some scary potential. MGF, as you know, is the analog of IGF-1 responsible for satellite cell growth (hyperplasia). A good analogy is GH (which alone has shown quite limited potential for gaining mass, apart from mega doses) converts to IGF-1, the muscle building component, which has proved it's potential for mass gain.

Similarly, IGF-1 breaks down into MGF which is the component directly responsible for adding new muscle cells. For the purpose of hyperplasia, IGF-1 is far more efficient than growth, and MGF is more efficient even than IGF-1. The raw form of MGF has already shown it's power - there are some excellent logs written by users that indicate it's potential.

However, the recent discovery of PEGylating the peptide will dramatically extend the active life of MGF in the test subject, potentially making this product scary-effective. The release of PEGylated MGF is slated for about 4 weeks out, but that could change, depending on various production and supply issues.

The good news in the meantime, MGF will be discounted substantially to make way for the new product's arrival, which addresses your concern over the price of the compounds in relation to GH. I think that if you're looking to achieve lbm and hyperplasia, IGF and MGF are considerably cheaper than an equivalent growth cycle, AND the compounds retain some of the fat-loss properties as GH.

Any Q's, feel free.

[Whitey]

The fragment, on the other hand, is designed to isolate the fat-reducing properties of GH. The idea is that you can get much more fragment for same price as GH. All other things equal, the fragment equivalent costs roughly half the price of GH.

So far, as you noted, the results have been there, but the power of those results has been inconclusive. Is it worth it? I'm honestly not sure, because I haven't seen what I think we need to see. And that is this product used in conjunction with a significant calorie reduction. If you reduce calories by only 3000 kcal a week, you can't hope to lose more than a pound of bodyweight. The fragment tests so far have been done only very near maintenance calorie levels, and the results were perfectly consistent with the total caloric reduction in the diet.

So, I'd definitely like to see the fragment work in a significant calorie reduction, to see if LBM can be maintained at those levels.

And I'd also like to see it in conjunction with a muscle building factor, to see if the synergy of the two compounds achieves a desired result more efficiently (and with fewer sides) than GH, which it should on paper.

[IFIWAS]

Great posts Whitey...lots to think about.

And yeah I have seen that MGF has gone down in price since I first made this topic, and that was not long ago.....

SO much new tech out there...feels like I am buying a computer.LMAO

[Whitey]

HA HA HA - I know what you mean, bro. A few weeks ago I hadn't even heard of PEGylation. Now, I must have it! PEGylate me!!!