just an idea i have

[felon4life]

all sources here will be required to donate to a fund, along with all members who wish to. this fund will be for random testing of gear. to prevent sources from juicing up their own products, Admin or a designated Mod will contact various members who have recently purchased gear from a named source. SRCS requires $100 and 5ml or 5 tabs or caps for a single compound test, more money for multiple esters, but theres plenty of singles to go around. this will be done random at the choice of the admin or his rep, and the person that donates the gear should be comped in a small manner. if this is lame or just sucks go ahead and start the flaming, but i for one would like to see genuine "random" testing of the shit we put in our bodies.

[F250]

Agreed. Sometimes it's a little scary to use gear that we know isn't produced in a laboratory environment. Not to mention the fact that we're taking somebody's word that we've never met, and wouldn't know from Adam, that what they're giving us, is in fact, what we believe it to be. Just my .02, but I agree with Mr. Felon.

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[fit4lyfe]

Originally Posted by F250

Agreed. Sometimes it's a little scary to use gear that we know isn't produced in a laboratory environment. Not to mention the fact that we're taking somebody's word that we've never met, and wouldn't know from Adam, that what they're giving us, is in fact, what we believe it to be. Just my .02, but I agree with Mr. Felon.

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I agree also, count me in, I feel anything we can do to reassure that our product are what we are expecting them to be. not that I don't truxt the few that I have delt with, this is part of the reason for being loyal to your supplier. but we all know what has been happening lately...my .00002

[bigger then you]

yes good idea for sure, can never be to safe!!

[felon4life]

good to see some like minded peeps around, we MUST start something like this to ensure we as paying customers get what we pay for and are not injecting crap into our bodies or swallowing a cap full of creatine. with the powder problems and scamming going around, IF the sources here know the are honest and making legit products then they will back this too. Anon, please respond bro. its really your call.

[ORBIS]

Originally Posted by felon4life

good to see some like minded peeps around, we MUST start something like this to ensure we as paying customers get what we pay for and are not injecting crap into our bodies or swallowing a cap full of creatine. with the powder problems and scamming going around, IF the sources here know the are honest and making legit products then they will back this too. Anon, please respond bro. its really your call.

Good job fellon, i agree. o and ygm bro.

[The Anonymizer]

i just dont see how this can do anything but give a false sense of security.

what prevents a source from making one good 100ml batch in the beginning, saving those vials for whoever wants to test them, and then selling underdosed crap to everyone else?

in the end theres really no way to ensure honesty but through repetition.


also, the other reason i developed the source testing process the way it is on this board is because you can get gear tested all day long that shows its 110% of label claims, but what if the dumbass source uses 10% benzyl alcohol as a solvent cuz they dont know how to brew or doesnt filter correctly? accurate dosing means nothing if the rest of the chemistry is that of a 3rd grade retarded child.

the most valuable thing we can do is convince the sources to educate themselves on proper brewing and stay honest and they'll make way more money over the long term that some quick chickenshit scam where they might walk away with $10k or so. most of them don't realize that popular sources that 1) make legit dosed gear 2) clean and painless gear 3)have good communication 4) don't scam ....have been known to make $50-100,000 PER MONTH!!!! No joke....i wish Pro-man or AGCL were here to validate it too.

[felon4life]

brotha man, read my post again, unless i was drunk and fucked up i said source should donate money to a testing fund NOT gear. and all members who support my idea can donate too. it's 100 dollas to get one test (single compound) plus shipping and packing. you, a mod or even myself if you wish will contact random members that have purchased gear from UGL sources here, ask for a small donation to be tested that will be re-embursed by a gear bank. the gear bank only need be 20mls of various compound cause we wont test but say once per month of a random compound. granted there are still details to work out, but i for one would like to see this happen at least for 6 months just to see the outcome? by the way how did this get moved to fat loss agents??????????

[turbodiesel]

Why do all this? There are good sources that partner with their customers and consistently deliver. But as soon as a guy with 7 posts and a boat load of "extras" posts a price that is $5 cheaper, the customers that don't value the services of the proven source go off and get burned. Consumers have to take some responsibility for their own actions.

The problem as I see it is that many people treat gear (UG gear) like a commodity. Like one 10ml vial is the same as any other 10 ml vial. Who makes it, how it is made, what it is made with and where it is made is IMPORTANT and those factors will not show up on any SA. UG gear is not a commodity!

To customers: If you want a better source, be a better customer.
To sources: If you want better customers, be a better source.

The last thing this board needs is layer upon layer of bureaucracy to "protect" the members. If you want to be a good customer, get reffed in by a Vet or a Mod with a proven source. Otherwise, you can take your chances. If you go with the latter, saving a few bucks on Low Rent gear won't make up for the times you get scammed out of your cash.

My rant is over....for now.

[felon4life]

ok let me say this, to ALL of the UGL suppliers that are honest and take some pride in what they create and the service that they proivde, my respect goes out. but look at some of the people that have been busted: past arrest records with child abuse, rec drug use and sales ans so on, so some not all but some of these guys are common criminals that decided to get into this buisness to make a quick dollar. how are we as customers to be ensured of what we are actually using and buying? are you going to sit here and expect me to trust and believe the word of someone on these boards? how many members around these boards are actually who they say they are?? ok, long time sources, vets and mods and even just members that have longevity and are not some mental case as some members on these boards are, maybe i can trust these guys a bit, but theres new sources (and members with less than 10 posts and that just joined the board bumping a sources gear) popping up, going scammer or supposedely getting busted all of the damn time, now lets take a look at AKA. he came around got real big, with all kinds of custom blends, made himself a rep and probably made a lot of money, disappeared, then re-appeared with a few different excuses, the latest being i got robbed, and fell off the wagon. i said before who the fuck wants to use some gear brewed up by a guy using recs? whats he on meth, crack, heroin? but every customer should just sit back, keep our mouths shut and take the word of the source that his gear is what the label claims it is right? if i were a UGL source and knew my gear was legit i would jump on this thread and ask where do i send my cash donation? you got nothing to worry about or hide then come on and back me on this. now more than ever with the powder issues and scamming we should stand together and watch each others backs. i read a post regarding IIW and how the owner of DBB fucked him over, so now its board owners to turn scammer, who can we trust? why is it wrong to expect to get what we pay for and want to see the proof? i've seen pics of some of the members on the boards, and although i'm no jay cutler, some of these guys and girls look as if they have never set foot in a gym. and i should rely on these guys bumping any sources gear? shit they could probably use 50mgs of prop and 20mgs of dbol and think their using something far more potent.

i'm not trying to start shit or say anything bad about our UGL suppliers, but look at the way things are going these days. its very, very hard to put your trust in anyone, cause everyone is trying to fuck over the next guy. this idea is for the benefit of all of us, sources included, and theres other boards that implemented similar ideas, but i do not want gear sent from sources, only a cash donation that will be used to test a "random" sample of his gear only, not another guys gear, and he will never know what customer or batch or product will be tested until the results are made public.