Let's settle the PCT debate for good!

[F250]

Everybody chime in with your own personal protocol for PCT. What you use, how much, and how long. I'm getting ready to come off of my longest cycle ever, and I want to make sure that I go about this the best way possible. I've got about 3 weeks left. I haven't used any nolvadex or hcg thus far. I'm strongly considering starting my hcg now and running it at 500iu twice/week until I'm done and then possibly carry it on at the same dose for another 3 weeks after cycle along with my nolvadex at 20mg/day. I also have scripted arimidex. So.....what's everyone doing and what is yielding the best results? In the future I will run hcg during my cycle at 250iu twice/week. But with the situation I'm in, what is going to be the best bet for me?

[Magni]

I will chime in to be the devil's advocate since I seem to have an unconventional approach based on the Potratz article and prior TRT advice/consultation.

First though, what were you taking and at what dose?

[F250]

Originally Posted by Magni

I will chime in to be the devil's advocate since I seem to have an unconventional approach based on the Potratz article and prior TRT advice/consultation.

First though, what were you taking and at what dose?

I started out with A-50s and EQ and then added in test. Phased chems in and out throughout, but I'll give you what I'm currently doing now.

Test 800mg/week
Tren 375mg/week (two more weeks)
Masteron Enanthate 300mg/week (only one more injection)
EQ 900mg/week (just finished my last dose of EQ...had been running it at 600mg/week but bumped it towards the end.)
And today I'm throwing in Winstrol at 100mg/day for 10 days. Going to vegas for Labor Day weekend, and I wanted to harden up. MY b/f stays low, around 6-7%, all the time, so the effects should be pretty noticeable with the winny. There you have it.

I'm going to finish up with test 500mg/week for 2 weeks after the winstrol. So I've got about 31/2 weeks left.

Hope you can cipher this mess out! haha

Thanks, bro!

[KellysGymCarver]

Maybe I missed it, but how long was the cycle?

[Magni]

Lower IU hCG for a longer period more frequently.
2 days post first Test 500MG inj. start hCG at 500IU eod.
Assuming you have 5000IU here. That will take you to about a week an a half post last Test 500MG inj. I can provide studies that confirm high IU hCG use stimulation really drops off at about 500IU. The testes max secretion is 140% of baseline. Three days after your first Test E 200MG shot testes based production and activity drops to 5% of baseline levels. The key is to stimulate them just enough without affecting sensitivity.

Clomid is the worst possible thing. I would not ever recommend it or use it again. I would not recommend a SERM at all. It is common to use one though. I would probably start a low dose AI Adex eod just to keep Estrogen in check while the test levels subside fairly quickly. The big imbalance is the problematic part.

OK, now the unconventional part that I have found works very well.

After you last hCG dose start IGF-1 LR3 at 40 mcg ed for 25 days. This is the best way to recover that I have found. My mood is elevated and my test levels are in the normal range running IGF-1. Actually I feel better than I do far into my cycle.

You should really try this before you knock it. I was very skeptical also. I just hated Clomid enough to risk trying something new. Now I do not dread coming off...

[F250]

Originally Posted by KellysGymCarver

Maybe I missed it, but how long was the cycle?

No, you didn't miss it, bro! I'm just half an idiot! LOL...

24 weeks

[jca1]

Dude I think mine is even more unconventional, dog me if you must but it works for me. I don't even use hcg. All I use is nolva 40/40/20/20 and igf 40mcg on training days only, which for me is mon, tues, thurs, fri. I get great results!

[F250]

Originally Posted by jca1

Dude I think mine is even more unconventional, dog me if you must but it works for me. I don't even use hcg. All I use is nolva 40/40/20/20 and igf 40mcg on training days only, which for me is mon, tues, thurs, fri. I get great results!

That's a very interesting approach.
Thanks for the input fellas. Anybody else got any words of wisdom? I know there's more than two guys on here that do PCT!

This question doesn't really pertain to PCT, but I don't want to start another thread just to ask it. What is the lowest does of GH you can take that will still yield results, but without causing insulin resistance? I want to start using GH, but I want it more for healing properties than for hyperplasia.

[KellysGymCarver]

Originally Posted by F250

No, you didn't miss it, bro! I'm just half an idiot! LOL...

24 weeks

LOL......Ok, I just came off a year and a half cycle of sometime Sust or Test E, with a stint of Dbol and Eq thrown in there every once in a while. No HCG during the entire cycle. Minimal shrinkage of the guys, and no prostate issues. Did use nolva after cycle for 3 weeks. Never a libido issue, and I'm gonna start another cycle next week. Had bloodwork done just before ending cycle, and everything was fine! My cholesterol was higher than usual at 209, but I don't know if AAS did that, ,or my sloppy eating habits. I never went over 500mgs of anything I took per week. Total time off cycle is 6 weeks so far........KGC

[Blood1]

Originally Posted by F250

Everybody chime in with your own personal protocol for PCT. What you use, how much, and how long. I'm getting ready to come off of my longest cycle ever, and I want to make sure that I go about this the best way possible. I've got about 3 weeks left. I haven't used any nolvadex or hcg thus far. I'm strongly considering starting my hcg now and running it at 500iu twice/week until I'm done and then possibly carry it on at the same dose for another 3 weeks after cycle along with my nolvadex at 20mg/day. I also have scripted arimidex. So.....what's everyone doing and what is yielding the best results? In the future I will run hcg during my cycle at 250iu twice/week. But with the situation I'm in, what is going to be the best bet for me?

On really long cycles i like to do 250i.u. hcg every day for 4 weeks, 20mg Nolvadex for 8 weeks, 25mg Aromasin for 6 weeks.