AAS use in sports....is it cheating?

[MadManiac13]

I always like to hear opinions on this. OK, steroid use is banned in all sports, so technically it is cheating. But, name a sport where a majority of players don't use banned substances. So, is it really cheating?

My personal belief is No. Obviously, being an advocate for AAS use, I'm probably biased. But, Steroids don't make the player more talented, ya know? If everyone is doing it, or most are, does anyone really have a leg up on anyone else? Your thoughts, please.

[FIVE_8]

every1 should be on gear then we can actually see who is the best :-)

[glock40_1979]

I would have to say it is cheating... That would be like if they didnt test a bodybuilding competition and 5 guys took every steroid known to man and the other 5 took a scoop of protein... Of course they would win... If you had two equal offensive lineman and gave one steroids for a year and didnt the other one Im sure his weight, power, speed, and strength would be higher than the none steroid users. If that doesnt give someone an advantage I dont know what does... If its in the rules its cheating...

[jpme]

Think about it like this. Berry Bonds and Babe Ruth. What made the babe so great? All his home runs he hit and the player he was with the closest thing he had to a supplement was iskey and cigars, he done something great. Berry Bonds, he broke the babes record yes, but did he have supps? he had GH, test, tren and God knows what else. So if he had all of that in his system what makes him special? He was a talanted player to start, yes. But he couldn't run and hit like he does now or like the babe did with no help. If a man won a world recrd for most pushups would you still say they should count if they were all done on his knees?

[MadManiac13]

Damn, now this thread is about Bonds again!!!

Glock, I hear your point. But honestly, I believe there is not one person(or very few) in national pro level BB, that is not using. The ones that aren't, definitely aren't winning competitions. So what then, are they all cheaters? Do we scrap the whole sport and start over? Are they all cheaters? Is Ronnie Coleman better because he has better access to the right "supplements"? Or does maybe his genetics and work ethic play into that as well? I know a lot of body builders who consume gear like it was going out of style. These same guys will never be top 10 pros....simple fact is they don't have the genetics, natural ability, dedication, and work ethic necessary. That is what makes a champ. My point was, in most pro sports there is wide spread performance enhancement........It's only the guys who get caught that are cheaters.

By the way, half of me is playing devil's advocate here, I just wanted to strike up some good conversation. I do believe if you break the rules and get caught, you should pay the consequences. But I also realize that there are a lot of pro athletes using performance enhancers, and I'm not always convinced that is what makes them superstars.

[longhorn71]

Well we all know that pro BB are on gear. They could not look like that without it.

Read Romano's article in the new MD that came out this week. He makes some very interesting points although I don't agree with them all.

Here is my point: a steroid does not hit a home run, athletes do. But if you take an athlete that hits a ball at a force equal to X, put him on gear this should increase that force to X + Y. Now with this extra power he is able to hit the ball farther and harder...it's cheating. Plain and simple.

Then there is the argument, let them all juice to level the playing field. Well, not everyone is going to want to for health reasons, and the healthy conscious ones are not going to be as powerful and will be less successful (all things being equal). So now anyone coming into the majors knows that in order to be successful at the pro level he is going to have to use AAS. No Way. This is not going to happen, it's bad logic, and bad for the sport.

Steroids are banned in collegiate and professional sports for a couple of reasons. First of all, they are not well studied in trained athletes using our dosage levels. There is not one peer reviewed article that I have read that quantitatively shows 600mg/wk of Test is better than 500 or worse than 700. Now when you start talking about stacking, well the water becomes even cloudier. Second, although this goes along with the first, there are no long-term health studies done in regular users. All of us are really betting with our own bodies that nothing really bad will come from our use, but we could be very wrong about this assumption.

Allowing AAS in professional sports is a horrible example for kids. Just think about the unforunate rise in high school AAS use that can be pretty logically linked to AAS use in the pros. It's a terrible situation. In my opinion, anyone that knowingly sells AAS to high school kids should have his knees blown off. It's one thing to sell it to adults who we hope have done their research and are probably smart enough about their bodies to stop using if something nasty pops up, but teenagers are a whole different story.

So in summary, yes AAS use in sports is cheating IMO. Now what to do about the records and all that, well that's beyond me at this point because it's a terrible mess.

[MadManiac13]

"Allowing AAS in professional sports is a horrible example for kids. Just think about the unforunate rise in high school AAS use that can be pretty logically linked to AAS use in the pros. It's a terrible situation. In my opinion, anyone that knowingly sells AAS to high school kids should have his knees blown off. It's one thing to sell it to adults who we hope have done their research and are probably smart enough about their bodies to stop using if something nasty pops up, but teenagers are a whole different story."


Agree with that !00%. And recent events are proof of that simple fact. How many kids do you see popping up on the forums everyday. New kids that are 18-19-20, hell maybe even younger and are just lying to us. They've actuallt started testing high school kids in some places, now. This is a huge concern of mine. I started my first cycle when I was 22, and I wish I never would have. Not that I don't enjoy it now, but I have done so much more research, etc. Hell, the first three cycles I did were F-ed up, I kept none of the gains because I had not researched PCT, etc. But, all the media did by going after steroids, was make every young kid think a needle would make them Barry bonds.....It's very sad!

[JUICEHEAD659]

First off back in the Babes time those pro's would laugh at anyone that work out with weights. Also, if you think about it were players taking creatine, M1T Etc. NO!! So if M1T does the same shit as dbol is that cheating. I think times are changing and you will never be able to keep things stable. The Babe had his time he was a national celebrity, had all the women he wanted and was rich. Now let the young guys have their chance. I watched that Costas Now show on HBO where they interviewed Willie Mays and other all time pros and most said they would have done if it was available to them. Others were saying that guys that weighed 160 lbs are not supposed to be hitting homeruns. Bro if someone has been on AAS for years do u actually think he would weight 160 lbs. I just think that the older pros dont want to get their records beaten and will blame AAS for anyones sucess. Put Bonds to the side dont u think that some are just bigger and stronger by training much harder than they did in those days? I do think the Babe was the best and I think we all know that. But u will never be able to even out the playing feild by just taking out steroids if u can just take supplments that do the same thing as juice but are legal. How is that any different?? All I knoiw is this is different times and times are allows changing and the old people will always complain and say they were stronger. Just My $0.02

[longhorn71]

I saw the same HBO special, it was very well done. I think the old veterans have a negative attitude towards AAS because they see it simply as cheating, and as I already wrote, I agree 100%.