BANNED after my first post

[ketsugo]

Bros- Im fairly new here, Ive been on many many other forums. I have never been banned or threatened to be. i go on Body Buliding Classifieds and the "Crowman" talk of "Low ball Pricing" how sources apparently do not charge enough money to us and jeopardize the security and safety of this biz. He was seeming to think we should rally and ask for the sources to charge more. I stongly disagreed. Yeah, I may have insulted him a bit , but did not swear or completely go off. We are all men here, should we not be able to exert ourselves somewhat even if it is a bit insulting? Here is what got me banned:

"I apologize for my first post , but Crowman I think you should be locked up in a pcyche ward. All the gear is way way over priced. I think the system is working just fine. Maybe you should rally the US Government to increase the taxes on Gasoline, maybe 10 bucks a gallon...... Luckily we have boards and if you develop a rapport with a few bros you can pretty much find the good sources. I used to think that UG labs were bunk. Until I found a few good sources. I remember doing a whole cycle from a Lab that does not exist now. I did $30 Test, 35 dollar Boldenone and made the best gains of my life. I will never pay 80 to 100 dollars for a vile of anything. If you do then you are soft in the head."

NOW C'MON IS THAT WORTHY OF BEING BANNED? LUCKILY THERE ARE TONS OF MUCH BETTER FORUMS, LIKE THIS ONE- ANONYMIZER YOU GOT THE BEST BOARD NO DOUBT.

[Scheizekopf]

If I was him, I'd ban you too.

You dont talk to an owner of a board like that without expecting to get banned.

[BigPancho]

I've seen the conversation, and I think that the point is being missed.

I can look at it from both sides of the issue, as I've been both consumer and supplier at one time or another.

The consumer wants the BEST product at the BEST price they can get it.

The supplier wants a FAIR price for the product they've produced.

I think that the point on the discussion on low ball pricing is simply that it's a lose-lose situation when you look at the "big picture".

I'm not gonna knock any source for their pricing, whether high or low, but each source has setup, time, and supplies invested. Also, each source knows what they're in it for. Most of the long time sources, who usually are the ones charging higher pricing, have a LOYAL customer base, and have the security in place as well as the setup for a true UGL. Not the kitchen cooking, bathroom brewing, etc....LOL We're talking clean boxes, particulate filtration devices, non-porous preparation surfaces, etc.

Then there are those that charge less. Some may have this above setup, and I believe Anonymizer suggested it, they may be building themselves to a comfortable level before they go completely private, or raise prices somewhat to slow the flow of new customers to maintain a stable, yet reliable client base.

Then you have some that are extremely low. From being on the supply side of this, and I'm sure some of the bros that charge lower can agree, the influx of customers is tremendous, and puts a tremendous strain on the provider. Packs due out in the teens and twenties per day, shipping costs, supply costs, and when it's said and done, profit is low. It's profit, so they are making money, but a new source will ask themselves if it's truely worth it.

The last instance many say "why is it my problem?". Stability is somethin' that can't be measured. A stable, reliable source is really worth his weight in anavar powder....LOL If you can find a source charging bottom dollar, with great product, and one who can maintain this for over 6 months to a year without changing his pricing, then you've found a rarity. Again, not knocking the bros charging less, but I'm sure they can even admit that it gets pretty troublesome, and when you're making only $10 or less per vial you sell, it can be pretty discouraging when you consider all the time it takes to sterilize the area, prepare the powders, solvents, media bottles, filtration system, vials, etc., brew the product, then filter, bottle, cap, and then label. Are they really making money?

Again, is it the customer's problem? No.

This is where it depends on the type of source they are. I've seen some raise pricing. I've seen some quit. MANY have went scammer. Of all the choices, I'd rather see em raise pricing, especially if they're a good one.

I've brewed my own, paid as low as $20 for Test Enan 10mL, and as much as $75 for Test Enan 10mL. I can say that each has its benefits, and each has its drawbacks.

Really it's a decision on the customer as to what kinda arrangement they're looking for, and up to the source as to what kinda experience they're looking for.

As far as lose-lose, the sources lose out, because of the lack of profit or the attempt to maintain a competitive price. Some sources will NOT sacrifice profit, but will cut corners elsewhere. This leads to either poorer quality, or less security. And a bust on either end, whether source or customer, is good for NO ONE.

Just my $0.02

BP

[Scheizekopf]

Damn that's a long post BP.

[BigPancho]

Originally Posted by Scheizekopf

Damn that's a long post BP.

I get that way sometimes....LOL

BP

[The Anonymizer]

Good post BP....

I just think prices are where they should be for most sources out there (even the ones considered "lowballers"). When it costs less than $5 to make a vial of Deca300 and you're charging for shipping, I dont see how you can justify charging more than $50 per bottle.....thats 1,000% profit you know!

[BigPancho]

Originally Posted by The Anonymizer

Good post BP....

I just think prices are where they should be for most sources out there (even the ones considered "lowballers"). When it costs less than $5 to make a vial of Deca300 and you're charging for shipping, I dont see how you can justify charging more than $50 per bottle.....thats 1,000% profit you know!

If ya can find me a quality provider of raws for Deca powder where I have less than $5 for a 300mg/mL vial, I'd REALLY be appreciative....LOL I know, just a point.....

I think that $40-50 is reasonable for the mentioned Deca. Smaller sources in particular, which is one reason why the lower pricing is kinda strange to me. I know when I started, I couldn't afford to order a kilo to get kilo pricing. I ordered around 100g's, 250g's when I became bigtime...LMAO Took me a while to get the price where it was better than the norm on international pricing. Figure you have PERFECT powder, you have 3g of Deca powder per 10mL vial. At small quantities, around a year ago, you were paying $2/gram. That's $6 in powder. Then, vial, you can add $0.50 (maybe more or less), stopper, flip top, label, holo. Of course, not counting the reusables and the solvents. I figure you'd have at LEAST $8-10 in per vial. Sure, 400-500% profit may seem high, but no different than any other business. Car dealers know this well. And they're LEGAL....LOL

In the end, pricing is gonna be diverse, quality will be equally as diverse, and security will always be an issue. We just have to ride it out and go where our instincts tell us to. LOL

BP

[The Anonymizer]

Originally Posted by BigPancho

If ya can find me a quality provider of raws for Deca powder where I have less than $5 for a 300mg/mL vial, I'd REALLY be appreciative....LOL I know, just a point.....

I think that $40-50 is reasonable for the mentioned Deca. Smaller sources in particular, which is one reason why the lower pricing is kinda strange to me. I know when I started, I couldn't afford to order a kilo to get kilo pricing. I ordered around 100g's, 250g's when I became bigtime...LMAO Took me a while to get the price where it was better than the norm on international pricing. Figure you have PERFECT powder, you have 3g of Deca powder per 10mL vial. At small quantities, around a year ago, you were paying $2/gram. That's $6 in powder. Then, vial, you can add $0.50 (maybe more or less), stopper, flip top, label, holo. Of course, not counting the reusables and the solvents. I figure you'd have at LEAST $8-10 in per vial. Sure, 400-500% profit may seem high, but no different than any other business. Car dealers know this well. And they're LEGAL....LOL

In the end, pricing is gonna be diverse, quality will be equally as diverse, and security will always be an issue. We just have to ride it out and go where our instincts tell us to. LOL

BP

damn, i guess prices went up! i bet you could still find a source for Deca international at $1-1.20 per gram if you did a little checking and bought a few hundred grams.

[Scheizekopf]

Originally Posted by BigPancho

I get that way sometimes....LOL

BP

I know. Good post by the way.

[Chopper]

back on point.

Crowman runs BBClassifieds and you basically disrespected him. BUT i dont think you should have been banned for it. He took it personal and maybe should have talked to you about it. IT comes down to RESPECT.

You could have made your point without insulting him.