Middle East

[Dr X]

Ok I just have to vent. I'm sick and tired of all the excuses the Palastenians and groups like Hammas and Hezbola keep using to attack Israel. Israel keeps giving up land in the name of peace which the other sides agree with and then keep attacking them. Now the kicker was giving up Gaza, I would of told the palastenians to go screw themselves but they gave it up, houses farms ect so that there would be peace. What do they do, they can't farm so the crops die and then they start lobbing missles over into Israel because now they have a better shot. Not only that they basically man handle Lebanon and start lobbing missles from over there. Of course Israel dosne't take crap and fires back and being called the bad guy. All the while one of my employees is trapped in Lebanon and is trying to get out. What a load of crap. We know for a fact the Syria and Iran are funding Hezbola and everyone plays dumb. It never was about peace and we knew it. They want all the jews gone or dead. I swear I want to chuck a nuke at those guys. Those guys being Iran the ring leaders of this whole mess. They are trying to force a confrontation because their president thinks that a major war will usher in their messiah.

[MadManiac13]

And you don't think it's possible that Israel Pulled it's people out of those two specific areas, just so that they could bomb the shit out of them without injuring their own people?

There are always two sides to every war. Every person who goes to battle fights for what they believe in. It's easier for us to label those without Armies as terrorists. See, the thing is, If the USA wants something, we just roll in with our tanks, planes, and bombs and after we've destroyed everything, We take what we want and leave some military bases behind. People/countries who don't have established armies have to fight for what they believe in with Sticks, rocks, and the occasional molatov. They are not terrorist, but people fighting and defending a land which holds religious and sentimental value to them. People who fly planes into buildings are terrorists. These people in Gaza are citizens of a nation who can't defend itself against a superpower who wants to forcefuly remove it from it's home. Anyone who has studied history should know israels history. The plot of land was basically established and given to them by the british, even though the british had no right to do so. So, The whole Gaza conflict is between people who have lived there, and people who claim to own the land. That explanation is a little simple, Which this situation is NOT, but it basically goes to show what is going on. Couple that between the religious tesions between muslims and jews, or the Jew's christian backers, and that turns this into a religious war. Now, If you are a close minded Christian, Jew or Muslim, there is no comprimise. They will continue to kill, mame, and destroy each others home until they are all dead. It's easy to sit back from the outside looking in and say that it is wrong from one side or another. But the fact is, we back some countries blindly in wars we have no business being involved in. We try to pretend we understand and we try to back the person we believe to be right. Usually for political and economic gain. When the truth is, we don't know who really started this, because the first stone was thrown long before we were involved or even really gave a rat's ass. There are wars and death going on all over the world. Fact is, if it weren't for the fact that Israel/Palestine is the holy land and that there is so much damn OIL in the Middle east, we wouldn't care. But, if Israel were to fall, The middle east would be a united Muslim Kingdom, and Christians would lose the holy land and The US would lose it's leverage to control oil flow. The US stands to lose a lot of power and econmical gain, and that is why we are involved. If you ever want to know why the US is involved in anything, just follow the money.

[MadManiac13]

^^^^^Now that is a Rant!!! ^^^^^

[13fingers]

You're both wrong, but I have no points to make or info to go by. Take that motherfuckers!!!!

[MadManiac13]

You're probably right.

[Dr X]

I'm sorry but Palastenians are Jordanians who made up the name so they could claim the land. Israel purchased the land legally, and what part of suicide bombers, sneaking into Israel and capturing soldiers and throwing bombs first constitutes Israel doing anything wrong. Besides that before they even moved in it had been a baren wasteland for hundreds of years and nobody lived there. They bring it to life and all of a sudden someone else thinks it's theirs.

O and that little segment of land has nothing to do with oil because there isn't any there.

And please don't blame the US for the worlds problems. I suppose it's the US fault the not one Muslim country has offerd up one single benefit to the world in the last 1400 years.

Alll I know if you follow history is that they (the Muslim peoples) have broken every peace treaty they have signed. And why, because in thier opinion it is ok to break a treaty with who they see as an infidel.

By the way do you know any Jews or Muslims and what do they tell you?

[MadManiac13]

Originally Posted by Dr X

I'm sorry but Palastenians are Jordanians who made up the name so they could claim the land. Israel purchased the land legally, and what part of suicide bombers, sneaking into Israel and capturing soldiers and throwing bombs first constitutes Israel doing anything wrong. Besides that before they even moved in it had been a baren wasteland for hundreds of years and nobody lived there. They bring it to life and all of a sudden someone else thinks it's theirs.

O and that little segment of land has nothing to do with oil because there isn't any there.

And please don't blame the US for the worlds problems. I suppose it's the US fault the not one Muslim country has offerd up one single benefit to the world in the last 1400 years.

Alll I know if you follow history is that they (the Muslim peoples) have broken every peace treaty they have signed. And why, because in thier opinion it is ok to break a treaty with who they see as an infidel.

By the way do you know any Jews or Muslims and what do they tell you?

This has been going on longer than a week. Suicide bombings have nothing to do with it, because when this started, that wasn't even an option.

OIL, all over the middle east and if the Israel goes down, we lose a major control center for militray operations in the middle east. Believe me, Oil has a lot to do with most decisions we make in the US.

Many other countries have broke treaties, it just depends on how you view it. We are currently breaking the Geneva convention everyday, and finally the supremem court is doing something about it. Although I'm sure you won't see it that way, because you obviously support a government that wipes it ass with the constitution.

Yes, I happen to know quite a few Muslims and Jews. I have some friends in Israel right now and aalso a friend stuck in Beruit. I'm concerned for all of them. Most of the Jews and Muslims I know here usually have the same thing to say, that we should all be able to live together. Of course, they are here in America where things are just that much better.

It's obvious that to you, muslims are the enemy, I'm sorry to hear that. I know plenty of non violent good muslim people who are sad to see this happening in the world. One of them, who owns a gas station down the street (place your racist ass remark here) actually got beaten up in his store, called racial slurs, blamed for 9/11 (please fuck off, people) and ended up in the hospital. That's the gayest shit I've ever heard of. The guy is probably one of the nicest guys you could know and came here as a legal immigrant to try to earn a living like most other people. And if muslim countries are so bad, why is your boy GW such buddy buddy pals with Saudi Arabia, the country where more 9/11 hijackers came from than any other country. They are rated one of the worst countries by most human rights organizations, are responsible for more deaths and public executions than saddam ever had. Why is it we don't go after them? I wonder.

By the way, I'm passionate about this, but respect your opinion and I love having conversations like this and getting the blood flowing. Your go, bro.

[jpme]

The are standing up and saying WE WON'T TAKE YOUR SHIT ANYMORE! All they want is theur guys back and they said they will go away. I think it's a beautifu thinkg that they want so bad to get their guys back that they will go through all of this. On a perk they can get rid of some of our enemies while tey are a it.

[MadManiac13]

Hey, I'm not aguring that. The situation sucks. My point was that wasn't the first stone thrown. This shit has been going on since before any of us were ever born. Not only that, but we don't share their beliefs, live through this stuff day to day, etc, so really this whole conversation is pointless.

[jpme]

Thats true. I just wish our friends there the best and hope all works out well for the international community.