Insulin

[aragorn1500]

I have a family member who is an Insulin dependant diabetic, he has a boatload of Insulin in the refridgerator.
I never check to see what brand it is (does it matter?) is this stuff worth using or what??

Thanks

[Scheizekopf]

Humalin and Humalog I see mentioned quite often. I havent done much research on slin.

[rizz]

Insulin isn't something you just casually do..... You really gotta know what youre doing..... I wouldn't touch it if I were you....

rizz

[FreeBirdbulker]

brand matters a hell of a lot. I have read a little about insulin, the each brand has a different peak time. some of them are an hour later, some are 2 hours, some are 6 hours. if you just inject without knowing this, you could be somewhere and start getting hypo signs, then your f*cked. you need to know how to watch for signs that you are getting hypo too. if slin isnt used right, ive heard it can make you diabetic, go into coma, lose eyesight, and even death. read up bro!

[IFIWAS]

Humulin R is the most common used overall and has the shortest active time except for Humalog, which is the most often used in the BB world......I prefer Humalog and recommend it to others here locally caue it has a shorter active life and you do not have to be so careful about your fat intake over such a long peroid of time.

PLEASE read ALOT more about slin before you take the leap...if you need any help PM me or post it up I have done alot of readig on it as many locals here want to know how, and when to use it.

[rizz]

Originally Posted by IFIWAS

Humulin R is the most common used overall and has the shortest active time except for Humalog, which is the most often used in the BB world......I prefer Humalog and recommend it to others here locally caue it has a shorter active life and you do not have to be so careful about your fat intake over such a long peroid of time.

PLEASE read ALOT more about slin before you take the leap...if you need any help PM me or post it up I have done alot of readig on it as many locals here want to know how, and when to use it.

Hey Man, I started using Slin post workout today.... I workout, have my post workout drink, and 1.5hrs later, I have another protein drink, and I used 8iu's of slin before..... I kept the carbs low in the 2nd drink, since I'm dieting down, and figured I'd go hypo..... Prob is, I didn't go hypo at all.... So, about 30mins later, I shot another 5iu's, and had some Gatorade in hand waiting to go hypo.... Again, I didn't go hypo like I thought I would.... I mean, I noticed SOME hypo effects, but not as much as I would expect with 5ius..... I've used insulin before, so I'm no newbie to it, but it has been a few years......

My question to you is do you have any tips on using Slin post workout only? I don't wanna use it too much, cause it tends to make me fat, so I'm sticking to strictly post workout use..... I'm using the Hum R type btw.....

rizz

[testboner]

Originally Posted by rizz

Hey Man, I started using Slin post workout today.... I workout, have my post workout drink, and 1.5hrs later, I have another protein drink, and I used 8iu's of slin before..... I kept the carbs low in the 2nd drink, since I'm dieting down, and figured I'd go hypo..... Prob is, I didn't go hypo at all.... So, about 30mins later, I shot another 5iu's, and had some Gatorade in hand waiting to go hypo.... Again, I didn't go hypo like I thought I would.... I mean, I noticed SOME hypo effects, but not as much as I would expect with 5ius..... I've used insulin before, so I'm no newbie to it, but it has been a few years......

My question to you is do you have any tips on using Slin post workout only? I don't wanna use it too much, cause it tends to make me fat, so I'm sticking to strictly post workout use..... I'm using the Hum R type btw.....

rizz

My own experience with it is that it takes quite awhile for Humulin R to hit me.
I've done up to 15iu post workout (intramuscular, since it's supposed to speed up the timing a bit) along with Creatine.
I'd finish my workout, stick the slin, and then wait between 15-30min before having my protein, carb and creatine shake (Again.... this is how MY bodies timing reacts with it). I can usually go up to 45min before I begin to even notice the first little jitters of needing carbs.
I use about 70g protein and 90g carb for 15iu's slin. Then about an hour and a half - 2 hours later, I have a good protein meal (chicken or fish), and some rice (most typically), maybe some fruit and other times some veggies.

I've also done 5iu when I wakeup and then eat breakfast right away, and I feel that hit a lot quicker since my bodies been fasting thru the night. Then I'd hit it again pwo with 10iu's and do like I described above.
I feel that it helps.... honestly the biggest effect I notice while using slin is a VERY GOOD recovery rate!

[IFIWAS]

I will try to write more later this evening when I have more time, but for now I cannot say why you are not going Hypo at all...maybe make sure your slin is good and have been in the fridge, it does go bad.

But I will say that I recommend using bout 10-15 mins after workout and drinking a Protein/Glucose shake right after then an hour after that eat a high protein NO fat meal, ie Chicken, brocalli, then maybe another shake protein only unless you are hypo alittle an hour after your meal then another meal....and this should all take place within bout 4 hours if you are using R and maybe 2-3 hours if using Log....if you do not eat fats while the slin is active you will NOT get fat...but its real hard to minitor unless you are very careful.

[The Anonymizer]

As someone who has alot of experience with slin let me tell you guys a few things.....and don't attempt everything i tell you because i'm just a crazy fucker

1) Humulin R and Humalog are VERY different. they're like night and day infact. 8iu of Humulin R won't do shit to you, even after an hour with no carbs....while 8iu of Humalog will make you dizzy in 15 minutes.

Humulin-R:

I did this alot in college when i had my sights set on competing and i was trying to bulk up alot. I started at 10iu PWO and then slammed a 100g of carb drink 15 minutes later. It didnt do shit for me. After some trial and error, i realized that it takes up to 1hr for Humulin R to "hit" you...and that is on an empty stomach. Also, for me (210lbs in college @ 5'10) i didn't get good gains off of it until i reached a PWO dose of 25-27iu. I did 30iu alot of times but never went over that....27-30iu seemed to be the magic number for me. Also, when the insulin hits you will first get very confused and disoriented and then insanely hungry in the snap of a finger. Slam a 100g carb drink and those effects subside, but 5 minutes later you're still insanely hungry. Within the 1hr following my Humulin R shot i would consume about 250g of liquid carbs and 100-150g of non-fat protein powder. My first time I gained 9 pounds in 4 days and even looked leaner. I dabbled with Humulin R off and on for the next few years, often at the beginning of a bulking cycle or during PCT...always got great results, mostly i think from the increased appetite. Never got much fat gain because if you wait for the slin to actually "hit" you instead of taking in your carbs prematurely it actually triggers a growth hormone release naturally. However, once you start feeling dizzy keep in mind you've got about 5 minutes until you pass out.....so have your carb drink in your hand ready! Also, Humulin R can be used effectively in a cutting cycle to keep you in ketosis throughout the day by taking 5iu a couple times a day, which keeps your bloodsugar down following meals.

Humalog:

I tried this about a year ago for the first time. It completely sucked ass. It makes you dizzy in 10-15 minutes off of as little of a dose as 8-12iu, but however it does not increase your appetite at all. It actually makes me feel a little queezy. So after drinking a typical 50g protein/100g carb shake my stomach was full. Since i dont think i was able to take in enough carbs soon enough, the end result was my muscles always looked "flat". When my appetite did come back, it was a couple hours later and i think the Humalog was worn off. Everyone who talks aobut Humalog and how great it is for bodybuilding makes me think theyre just regurgitating some Bill Roberts crap and have never tried it for themselves because personally i think Humalog has no bodybuilding application whatsoever.

[testboner]

Originally Posted by The Anonymizer

As someone who has alot of experience with slin let me tell you guys a few things.....and don't attempt everything i tell you because i'm just a crazy fucker

1) Humulin R and Humalog are VERY different. they're like night and day infact. 8iu of Humulin R won't do shit to you, even after an hour with no carbs....while 8iu of Humalog will make you dizzy in 15 minutes.

Humulin-R:

I did this alot in college when i had my sights set on competing and i was trying to bulk up alot. I started at 10iu PWO and then slammed a 100g of carb drink 15 minutes later. It didnt do shit for me. After some trial and error, i realized that it takes up to 1hr for Humulin R to "hit" you...and that is on an empty stomach. Also, for me (210lbs in college @ 5'10) i didn't get good gains off of it until i reached a PWO dose of 25-27iu. I did 30iu alot of times but never went over that....27-30iu seemed to be the magic number for me. Also, when the insulin hits you will first get very confused and disoriented and then insanely hungry in the snap of a finger. Slam a 100g carb drink and those effects subside, but 5 minutes later you're still insanely hungry. Within the 1hr following my Humulin R shot i would consume about 250g of liquid carbs and 100-150g of non-fat protein powder. My first time I gained 9 pounds in 4 days and even looked leaner. I dabbled with Humulin R off and on for the next few years, often at the beginning of a bulking cycle or during PCT...always got great results, mostly i think from the increased appetite. Never got much fat gain because if you wait for the slin to actually "hit" you instead of taking in your carbs prematurely it actually triggers a growth hormone release naturally. However, once you start feeling dizzy keep in mind you've got about 5 minutes until you pass out.....so have your carb drink in your hand ready! Also, Humulin R can be used effectively in a cutting cycle to keep you in ketosis throughout the day by taking 5iu a couple times a day, which keeps your bloodsugar down following meals.

Humalog:

I tried this about a year ago for the first time. It completely sucked ass. It makes you dizzy in 10-15 minutes off of as little of a dose as 8-12iu, but however it does not increase your appetite at all. It actually makes me feel a little queezy. So after drinking a typical 50g protein/100g carb shake my stomach was full. Since i dont think i was able to take in enough carbs soon enough, the end result was my muscles always looked "flat". When my appetite did come back, it was a couple hours later and i think the Humalog was worn off. Everyone who talks aobut Humalog and how great it is for bodybuilding makes me think theyre just regurgitating some Bill Roberts crap and have never tried it for themselves because personally i think Humalog has no bodybuilding application whatsoever.

That's interesting about the Humalog.
I've been thinking a lot of trying higher doses with the Humulin than I have so far (because of how my body's handled it). When I begin again, I'm going to try upwards of 20-25iu pwo. So far, the most I've used is 15iu as mentioned in my previous post.