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Originally Posted by hitch
i dont need to research it as i grew up in a loyalist UDA area.
This is a good debate.
Fighting an occupying force is legal in your words. Is it legal then to kill women and chidren?. Kingsmill massacre inwhich i think 10 protestant workers were lined up and shot dead by the IRA, is that legal. La mons fire bombing were women and kids were burnt alive, is that legal?.
Shankill bombing, omagh bombing , enniskillen and many many other attacks on innocent people is NOT LEGAL.
Not all members of the RUC were supporters of loyalist violence, I know this as i have family who were in the RUC in the 70"s and 80"s and they are against violence of any kind. I know former UDR soldiers who are against violence.
You say the UDA is conected to the neo nazi groups. Yes there are members who do support that stuff and the Likes of combat 18 and the national front do support the loyalist cause because they are british and see our fight against the republicans as a justified cause.
However ive only ever known a handful of UDA members who personally support any racist groups, most good UDA men dont support it at all.
Yes the police and british forces gave the UFF and UVF info on republican targets, thats well known.
But wheres the crime there. After all the police and army were being targeted everyday by terrorists. The protestant people needed defended and they formed their own groups.
Most republicans seem t think the UFF is a cover name for the UDA,, wrong.
The UFF is the military wing of the UDA and not all members of the UDA are in the freedom fighters.
The main goal of the UFF was to hit republican areas were it hurt and sadly that was by killing alot of innocent catholics.
IRA has fooled the world into this republican propaganda that they were victims and they did no harm.
They fail to mention the crime, the murders and all other ILLEGAL actions they take part in.
Is it legal to be in south america in a terrorist training camp with cocaine and weapons.
I know the loyalist groups are mainly all organised crime now, but dont think for one minute the provos and sinn fein are innocent people.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hitch
i dont need to research it as i grew up in a loyalist UDA area.
This is a good debate.
Fighting an occupying force is legal in your words. Is it legal then to kill women and chidren?. Kingsmill massacre inwhich i think 10 protestant workers were lined up and shot dead by the IRA, is that legal. La mons fire bombing were women and kids were burnt alive, is that legal?.
Shankill bombing, omagh bombing , enniskillen and many many other attacks on innocent people is NOT LEGAL.
Not all members of the RUC were supporters of loyalist violence, I know this as i have family who were in the RUC in the 70"s and 80"s and they are against violence of any kind. I know former UDR soldiers who are against violence.
You say the UDA is conected to the neo nazi groups. Yes there are members who do support that stuff and the Likes of combat 18 and the national front do support the loyalist cause because they are british and see our fight against the republicans as a justified cause.
However ive only ever known a handful of UDA members who personally support any racist groups, most good UDA men dont support it at all.
Yes the police and british forces gave the UFF and UVF info on republican targets, thats well known.
But wheres the crime there. After all the police and army were being targeted everyday by terrorists. The protestant people needed defended and they formed their own groups.
Most republicans seem t think the UFF is a cover name for the UDA,, wrong.
The UFF is the military wing of the UDA and not all members of the UDA are in the freedom fighters.
The main goal of the UFF was to hit republican areas were it hurt and sadly that was by killing alot of innocent catholics.
IRA has fooled the world into this republican propaganda that they were victims and they did no harm.
They fail to mention the crime, the murders and all other ILLEGAL actions they take part in.
Is it legal to be in south america in a terrorist training camp with cocaine and weapons.
I know the loyalist groups are mainly all organised crime now, but dont think for one minute the provos and sinn fein are innocent people.
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Hey hitch, I appreciate your measured response, having grown up in the area and felt the effects of the violence.
Killing innocent women and children is wrong. I clearly stated that. Both sides have done their share, we both know that.
Great Britain projects authorized state power in your neck of the woods. Paramilitary militias? Illegal addenda to state force. All I can think of when you called the UFF "freedom fighters" is "Freedom from who? From the power of Great Britain? Freedom from the folks that are native to the soil, that are the majority? Pretty self evident.
It is good that you see less folks agreeing with the national front and that type of shithead. I trust your appraisal.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" Ghandi said. People in your homeland want peace, are tired of the killing, justice is in the air.
I hope you see it soon, bro. Been a long time coming. Must be some hell to live through.
Best,
marx